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#2681 of 3623 Re: NY Times editorial [PMO]
Mar 15, 2010 (7:25 am)
You ever compair the Geo Prism in CR and find how much crappier the Prism was to Toyota Corolla?
Actually, the Geo Prism was rated very highly by CR, just like the Corolla. Except for a few cheaper trim pieces GM used inside and out, it was an identical vehicle to the Corolla. What year are you looking at? I believe my friends was a 1994 or 1995 Prism model.
Did GM make any outside of Toyota's factory?, that might explain differences in quality, my friend definitely got one of the Toyota models labeled as a Prism; there is no doubt about that.
#2682 of 3623 Re: Either Toyota is stupid; or we are [xlu]
Mar 15, 2010 (7:33 am)
what would be his motive to fake it?
Fame and future potential fortune. Getting out of his lease. Pure Psychosis?
CHP testified that he saw the brake lights on and smelled the burning brake.
That does not prove he hit the brakes and the accelerator at the same time, as he could of intermitently been hitting the brake then accelerator, and vice versa, never at the same time thereby avoiding the brake override system activation.
There are also many posts accusing the drivers not put the car in neutral or to turn off the car.
Because in every case where there has been injury or accident (or media hoopla) the driver either refused to put it in neutral or didn't even try to (or didn't even think of it) due to their own negligence, ignorance, and/or incompetence.
Then there's no reason for him to fly on without braking. This means that both the car's accelerator and brake failed.
It's called driver error and hitting the accelerator instead of the brakes causes it sometimes. Other times it's fraud and a hoax.
#2683 of 3623 Re: News today [larsb]
Mar 15, 2010 (7:41 am)
I have read his front breaks were gone the rear pads at 3mm and the CHIP had confirmed the smell of burning breaks ? I would not think your statement wrong ,just incomplete . The court is still out and more unfortunate Toyota people are coming out to tell stories of a similar nature. Read Chapters to follow please.
#2684 of 3623 Re: "brakes were discolored and showed wear, but " [sharonkl]
Mar 15, 2010 (7:50 am)
CHP reports and news reports in the beginning when it happened, did not feel story was hoax per reports. Findings at time of incident/post incident, and CHP interviews support this. Have not seen any report from them today.
You say don't take stories/reports at face value, yet you believe the CHP as if they were GOD themselves. What of the officer who is the supposed witness? Do you know his background and training? Maybe he was a friend of Saylor's and has an ax to grind with Toyota. Maybe he's a rookie and been on the force only 3 months? Maybe he's a veteren who has a record of losing court cases (false prosecution in my book). Do you know any of the history of the CHP officer who's made claims regarding this issue?
#2685 of 3623 Re: "brakes were discolored and showed wear, but " [andres3]
Mar 15, 2010 (8:00 am)
Do you know any of the history of the CHP officer who's made claims regarding this issue?
I only know what is printed or posted. I do Know first hand how Toyota tries to weasel out of their responsibilities and poorly designed vehicles. I have owned 3 Toyota's and had issues with each that Toyota did not face up to. How many have you owned?
#2686 of 3623 Re: NY Times editorial [andres3]
Mar 15, 2010 (8:04 am)
Short answer I have been to Milford and the place has been testing at this GM site for my guess 70 plus years with every cobblestone road to race car track in site. This is not to say your opinion to me means nothing, The fact I know and you think is good.Then in fact when I was car buying age none of the Foreign cars were here. when the market accepted the first Honda's 1300.00 was a price I remember and when the young saw an opportunity to buy wheels (guess what? GM Ford and Chrysler became out of price range) This my young friend is to say I had my Grand Nationals and Pontiac 2+2 55 Chev Convertibles and 56 Chev Hard tops and Drive an Enclave and it has a stately 283 hp and gets past most cars without effort 4 at a time and this is a 70 Years old and without a ticket in the last 40 years. Thinking back I was an idiot driver ,Then my job driving to Detroit and a family to support made me drive on cruise. The young Idiots that drive up my but now are not anything less than I was at their age and I hope that wake up call gets them early. Good luck thinking ,try understanding, please
#2687 of 3623 Re: More.. [gagrice]
Mar 15, 2010 (8:05 am)
The attorney for the Saylor family has taken him under his wing.
If Sikes was smart, he wouldn't have accepted the same attorney working for the Saylor family, That smells and you don't need a nose to smell it.
Anyway, The Saylor family should be suing the 911 operator for not having advised to ever put it in Neutral!!! They shouldn't be suing Toyota for driver error. Oh wait, Toyota has deep pockets while the 911 operator doesn't, nevermind, always sue the deep pockets.
#2688 of 3623 I have never understood the Saylor case
Mar 15, 2010 (8:25 am)
a 45 year old Highway patrolman thinks that digging out a cell phone and calling 911 is more important than putting the car in Neutral or turning off the ignition - what did he expect 911 to do - and why would the 911 operator be liable for not telling him to do something that he should already know to do? He would rather pray as he is launching his car and passengers through a dead end intersection at 120 mph than try neutral or turning off the ignition? Wow - this doesn't seem logical, especially for someone who ought to be a good driver being a Highway patrolman. Did his new Lexus 350 have push button or keyless start? Is there any chance, ANY chance that he might have been trying to kill himself and everyone in the car?
#2689 of 3623 Runaway Prius Investigation - news today
Mar 15, 2010 (8:29 am)
CONGRESSIONAL MEMO - AP
"The memo said both the front and rear brakes were worn and damaged by heat, consistent with Sikes saying that he stood on the brake pedal with both feet and was unable to stop the car. But if the fail-safe system worked properly, the brakes wouldn't have been damaged because power would have been cut to the wheels.
The Wall Street Journal reported Saturday that the wear was not consistent with the brakes being applied at full force for a long period, citing three people familiar with the probe, whom it did not name. The newspaper said the brakes may have been applied intermittently.
Gomez said the best evidence that his client was frantically slamming the brakes is that the CHP officer smelled burning brakes and saw the lights on."
CHP - AP
Brian Pennings, a spokesman for the California Highway Patrol, said his agency's view that there is no evidence of a hoax is unchanged. The CHP does not plan to investigate the incident because there were no injuries or property damage.
"Unless they can completely disprove Mr. Sikes, we're done," Pennings said. "It doesn't sound like they can do that."
REPRESENTATIVE ISSA AIDE - CALIFORNIA - ISSA ON OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE INVESTIGATING TOYOTA & NHTSA- (1)INSISTED BEING PRESENT RUNAWAY PRIUS INVESTIGATION - (2)CHALLENGED CHAIRMAN TOWN OF OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE INVESTIGATING TOYOTA IN STRONG LETTER - CHAIRMAN TOWN SENT LETTER ACCUSING TOYOTA OF HIDING DOCUMENTS ABUSING US COURTS & PERTAINED TO FORMER TOYOTA ATTORNEYS SUPEOONAED 6 BOXES OF DOCUMENTS. FACT IS TOWNS COULD NOT SEND LETTER WITHOUT APPROVAL FROM COMMITTEE (3)ISSA IS RICHEST CONGRESSIONAL MEMBER(200+ MILLION) - OWNED COMPANY DEVELOPED AUTO ANTITHEFT & SOLD TO TOYOTA & OTHER MANUFACTURERS, ETC. - SOLD COMPANY BUT STILL ON BOARD
Kurt Bardella, a spokesman for the committee's top Republican, Darrell Issa of California, said Sunday that the findings "certainly raise new questions surrounding the veracity of the sequence of events" reported by Sikes.
"We're not saying Mr. Sikes is wrong or that he lied, we're saying that questions have arisen in the investigation," Bardella said.
John Gomez, Sikes' attorney, said the findings fail to undermine his client's story.
"I don't put a whole lot of stock in their explanation," he said. "It's not surprising they couldn't replicate it. They have never been able to replicate an incident of sudden acceleration. Mr. Sikes never had a problem in the three years he owned this vehicle."
LEAKED CONGRESSIONAL MEMO - WSJ
"The system worked when engineers performed a test drive of Sikes's vehicle, the agency said. Engineers also noted that "there was very little left of the car's brakes," the agency said. The inboard front brake pads were completely gone and the outboard pads were down to about two millimeters to 2.5 millimeters, it said, and the brake rotors were damaged.
"We would caution people that our work continues and that we may never know exactly what happened with this car," the agency said."
It seems investigation still not completed. Saw a report brakes were going to be put through more tests. Not sure if true or not. Different reports exist.
#2690 of 3623 Re: NY Times editorial [andres3]
Mar 15, 2010 (8:31 am)
No ,this was like the contract GM had with Vibe and the reason Toyota is thinking to close the plant in California.