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#2462 of 3623 Re: The hits just keep on coming [gagrice]
Mar 12, 2010 (5:50 am)
Nice piece of fiction Gagrice. I admit being a bit nervous driving my 2007 Prius because of the acceleration stories,but at 65MPH it handles as well as my KIA Optima,which in turn handles better than any American car I have ever owned.I am not especially fond of Toyotas,and have only owned one before,an 80 Corolla wagon.I have at one time or another owned every American brand except for Caddy or Pontiac.The KIA is only my second Asian car and I love it.The prius has issues,no doubt, but handling is not one of them.I'll take my chances with the Prius at legal speed over the Vette at 140 any time.
PS There are no braking problems with the 2nd generation Prius.
Mar 12, 2010 (6:17 am)
legal speed is 80 mph in some parts of USA.
I think Corvette is more stable at 140 than Prius at 80 but it is an opinion not fact.
I do agree that Prius does not seem to have handling issues.
#2464 of 3623 Re: The hits just keep on coming [mickeyrom]
Mar 12, 2010 (7:54 am)
The braking issue seems to be in Gen 3 Prius. Gen 2 Prius has considerable handling issues with cross wind and slick roads. Some of those have been resolved with later versions of the Gen 2. I understand the touring version handles better. While I did not feel unsafe around town in my friends 2009 Prius. I would not want to head out on the highway with him. To each his own. I prefer large, heavy, solid, comfort and safety over superfluous gas mileage.
#2465 of 3623 Re: NY Times editorial [djohnson1]
Mar 12, 2010 (8:17 am)
There is a tendency to write off the Audi 5000 issue as not being Audi's responsibility. the facts are that it most definitely was a design flaw. Yes, there was consensus that the drivers were pressing the gas pedal thinking it was the brake pedal, but why just the Audi 5000? Well, if you have ever driven a 5000 you would know why. The first time I sat in a 5000, I felt awkardly uncomfortable. I was sitting square to the vehicle but my legs were heading off to the left. I could not get comfortable with this when trying to navigate the pedals. So I looked into why the pedals were so far to the left. As it turns out, the longitudinal FWD (engine running N-S instead of the more conventional E-W) creates a very large "transmission" tunnel. It is much larger than other vehicles which necessitates moving the pedals to the left. If you have become accustomed to a more normal layout of pedals, this unusual position leads to the driver thinking he has his foot on the brake when in fact it is on the accelerator resulting in an uncontrolled vehicle. Clearly a bad design.
#2466 of 3623 Re: Seeking info. on stuck accelerator "fix". [obyone]
Mar 12, 2010 (8:35 am)
I'll have the recall done, but I'm just curious whether there are any unintended consequences related to this "fix".
#2467 of 3623 Re: ABC's Channel 10 News in San Diego Reports... [andres3]
Mar 12, 2010 (9:20 am)
Say, a guy who's had an impeccable financial history gets cancer. He can't pay all the medical bills despite having insurance, has to file for bankruptcy, his credit is ruined and he's suddenly a scumbag?
#2468 of 3623 Re: Your example [doidoadiesel]
Mar 12, 2010 (9:44 am)
Say there was some kind of weird reverse lottery where the majority are "losers" who would get a million dollars but the few "winners" get shot in the head with a large-caliber handgun. Would you buy a ticket?
#2469 of 3623 Re: ABC's Channel 10 News in San Diego Reports... [gagrice]
Mar 12, 2010 (9:31 am)
After reviewing all press releases this am CHP reports is still unchanged and stands as reported. NHTSA and Toyota, with California Rep. Issa R(committee member of Senate investigation representative being present during engineering investigation are investigating. It does appear according to some reports they are aware of Sikes past. I have only seen one major news outlet address the internet suspicions & rumors/possible facts on issue so far - Fox News.
Facts of the case will be investigated. As it now stands SUA/UA did happen as it was reported per CHP officer and Sikes and news reports. The officers publicly released interview/new reports have this officer stating stating brake material was visibly on tires and ground - are difficult observations to disregard or dismiss easily. The CHP release of 911 tape is another problem. Sikes background will be investigated, but CHP report findings do have huge impact.
Until proven otherwise, incident so far is a SUA/UA incident. This is just a fact.
#2470 of 3623 Re: The hits just keep on coming [gagrice]
Mar 12, 2010 (9:40 am)
Here's Mr. Sikes' car in the pitstop at Daytona.
I guess our 'Yota fanboys will also claim they saw him get caught by Chris Hanson on "To Catch a Predator."
#2471 of 3623 Re: Seeking info. on stuck accelerator "fix". [jeffm5]
Mar 12, 2010 (11:17 am)
Since it has only been a couple of months since the dealers began getting parts, and doing this pedal "fix", this is most difficult question to even speculate about,at best. BTW: I was one of those that NEVER even got the recall notice from Toyota!!!! My Dealer was good enough to look it up for me on Their VIN# listing!
I have heard mention that if you have a sensitive foot (feel) that you may notice a slightly faster "return" action of the pedal when released....also some have said the pedal is a bit more sensitive. personally, I do not like the feel of the shimmed pedal, but that is just me....most cannot feel a difference.
THE BIG QUESTION IS WHAT , IF ANY, THE LONG TERM EFFECTS OF THIS FIX MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE!!!
depending on the state, if you do not have it done, and there is an "incident", YOU COULD SHARE SOME OF THE LIABILITY YOURSELF!!!! (This is called the A0A SAFETY" RECALL) reproduced below (as in negligent liability issues!)
FYI, if you did not know, there are a few different iterations of this Document floating around in the USA. There is even some confusion at Toyota USA!!!
One says something to the effect that if you do not like the feel, or are dissatisfied, that you can have the entire pedal replaced at NO CHARGE to you.....catch is, you must have the shim fix first before you apply to get a new pedal...AGAIN, THERE ARE A FEW OF THESE DOCS AROUND AND SOME SAY IT AND SOME DO NOT!
Safety Recall A0A - Accelerator Pedal Reinforcement Bar Installation
Non pertinent sections removed by OP 9BEGIN RDIT!)
Q1: What is the condition?
A1: There is a possibility that certain accelerator pedal mechanisms may mechanically stick in a partially
depressed position or return slowly to the idle position.
Q2: What is the cause of this condition?
A2: Over time, the internal mechanisms in the accelerator pedal may become worn. As a result of this wear
combined with certain operating and environmental conditions, friction in the mechanism may increase and
intermittently result in the accelerator pedal being hard to depress and/or slow to return or, in the worst case,
stick in a partially open position, increasing the risk of a crash.
Q2a: Why does this condition only affect certain Toyota models?
A2a: Toyota equips its vehicles with accelerator pedals manufactured by multiple
The following is the portion of A0A that has been changed and may affect your situation!
Q8b: What if a customer is not satisfied with the accelerator pedal operation or the feel of the pedal
after the reinforcement plate is installed?
Q8b: If the customer is not satisfied with the accelerator pedal operation or the feel of the pedal after the
reinforcement bar has been installed, a replacement accelerator pedal will be offered at no charge
when they become available.
(Balance of Toyota Document A0A removed in the interests of space!)