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#2158 of 3623 Gadget
Mar 07, 2010 (10:21 am)
Sorry some of you (sharon, gag, ww so forth have to see my preamble but Ive been busy in the shop) and have come up with a gadget. Im gone again but am always interested in your comments. .
To all the people saying , just turn off the key. Under normal, (gas pedal stuck) circumstances, turning off the key works. You still have enough brakes to stop and the steering reverts to manual with no power assist ,it is much harder to turn but its still manageable to most able bodied people, It seems preferable to crashing at full throttle. I have tried shutting the key off under full throttle in a 2010 Tundra several times up to 150kmh and it worked. HOWEVER , what we dont know is what exactly is happening with the computer when someone is experiencing electronic unintended accelleration (EUA). The limited data available from when this is occuring , if you beleive that it does in fact occur, (I beleive that the reports of EUA are too numerous to discount and so have chosen to accept that it does indeed happen) primarily comes from people that are in a panicked mode or sadly comes from their vehicles after their deaths. I beleive it is possible that the computer, when a vehicle is undergoing EUA is acting similarly to your own home computer when it has frozen. Since the computer in the drive by wire vehicles controls some or all of the braking , throttle, ignition, transmission and other systems incorporated into the vehicle, it is also possible that in its frozen state, similar to your home PC, the cars computer will not respond to placing in nuetral, shutting off the key or application of brakes. The parking brake has limited stopping power. I have installed a proptotype switch in my Tundra that bypasses and is isolated from the computer. When you switch it on the motor dies instantly. Call me paranoid, but it gives me peice of mind that I did not have before I installed it.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/03/05/bc-toyota-crash-lawsu- it.html#socialcomments#ixzz0hW3jWdgb
#2159 of 3623 Re: Toyota to present their side on Monday [roho1]
Mar 07, 2010 (10:43 am)
Yes, the brilliant minds of those Stanford PHD's who work for Exponent, Director of Stanford University auto technology research department engineers against Dr. Gilbert the professor of auto technology department for auto techs from University of Southern Illinois will be interesting.
Stanford's Center for Automotive Research is funded by a group of auto companies, including Toyota. Slight problem does exist since research funded by auto manufacturers, but Standford is one of the top universities in Nation. Stanford will be a big defense for Toyota though. Exponent has multiple Stanford grads so not just a coincidence here.
Must watch this presentation. Will be interesting to see if they release any written study finding reports???
#2160 of 3623 Re: Gadget [jdm9]
Mar 07, 2010 (10:57 am)
jdm, good for you!!!
#2161 of 3623 Re: Toyota to present their side on Monday [sharonkl]
Mar 07, 2010 (11:18 am)
How does a company like Exponent that has earned such a reputation continue to do business? If a company has no credibility it serves no purpose to use them.
#2162 of 3623 Toyota Component FailureRe: UA is not limited to Toyota only! [tomjava]
Mar 07, 2010 (11:42 am)
Fact: NHTSA determined defects in Toyota vehicles resulted in injury and death.
Fact: Toyota admitted there was a defect and initiated recall to repair vehicles.
Fact: Driver error is the identified cause in some vehicles. Past, present, and no reason to expect them not to occur in the future when there is a brake and accelerator pedal present.
tomjavaBy using the data above, I can conclude that VW has twice as many complaints about unintended acceleration than Toyota in 2009. Toyota's getting crucified for something that isn't particularly uncommon or unusual.
That is your opinion Tom. I do not agree with your conclusion. NHTSA has not identified any defects in VW's leading to unintended acceleration. VW is not recalling vehicles for unintended acceleration. No evidence to conclude there is a problem with VW's.
Audi was crucified by the media in the 80's. Cause was identified as "pedal placement error", not a mechanical defect. Fault being operator error or pedal design may be argued without agreement.
Attempt to shift blame to VW or make VW a scapegoat for Toyota's acknowledged defects will not be allowed to go unchallenged.
Toyota failed to include a fail-safe in their accelerator/brake design and is in process of adding the feature. Fail-safe feature is present in current VW's and all past VW's with drive-by-wire throttle systems.
VW utilizes a bottom hinged accelerator pedal design that prevents floor mat pedal entrapment, Toyota does not.
Toyota is the manufacturer with the known problem, don't try to scapegoat another manufacturer.
#2165 of 3623 Re: Toyota to present their side on Monday [obyone]
Mar 07, 2010 (12:45 pm)
Exponent is very good defense firm. Look them up. They have some brilliant individuals working for them. Corporations with a vested interest to pursue or that are in trouble & need a defense will seek these types of firms. PGE chromium contamination here in California was exposed publicly by some dedicated, diligent individuals. Exponent & their former CEO Dennis Paustenbach, fraudulant scientific study. Etc. Took almost 10 years to do though. Tobacco companies needed these firms to protect their own interests despite the proven health issues from tobacco use. Etc. Business is good.
This firm wins alot, has lost some.
#2166 of 3623 Re: Toyota Coverup [gagrice]
Mar 07, 2010 (12:55 pm)
Thanks for the heads up on the article. Smile - after all that - we wait to see if Biller's documents ever mentioned again. Chairman's Town's letter to Toyota sure indicated problems. Now maybe - a whoops.
#2167 of 3623 Re: Toyota to present their side on Monday [sharonkl]
Mar 07, 2010 (1:54 pm)
Is this the Exponent forum or what? Please give it a rest. You've repeated these same bashings over and over. If I hear about PGE chromium one time I think I will go UA.