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#2133 of 3623 Re: Dr Gibert [roho1]
Mar 06, 2010 (7:29 pm)
The article I read on Dr Gilbert said when all the news came out about UA with Toyota vehicles, he became curious and experimented with his own brand new 2010 Tundra. What he found was disturbing and he tried to get Toyota to respond. They showed their usual arrogant attitude and paid no attention to him. Kane did not get involved until later. Did ABC or Kane pay for the Avalon used in the test? According to the CNN article Toyota is not interested in finding their problem. They are just interested in discrediting Dr Gilbert. That has been their MO from the start. Discredit the customers story or pay them off if they have to. If Toyota was serious about getting to the bottom of their UA electronic problems they would send engineers not Exponent.
"Dr. Gilbert's demonstration, as shown on the ABC News web site, amounts to little more than connecting three of the six pedal sensor wires to an engineered circuit to achieve engine revving," said Exponent, a research firm hired by Toyota, in a report obtained by CNN that was prepared for Toyota attorneys.
So how many automotive engineers does Exponent have on their staff? I know several here would like to discredit Kane's group for lack of expertise. How about putting the same scrutiny on Toyota and Exponent. Those interested in fair and balanced.
#2134 of 3623 Re: Dr Gibert [roho1]
Mar 06, 2010 (7:42 pm)
I already knew Exponent and Toyota were going to present report contradicting Dr Dave Gilbert's study findings. I had reported earlier today - this fact. Said - gues we wait to see Exponent's report. And report had better be released for public reviewing. If report is withheld there will be lots more issues to think about and address.
As why I see problems with Exponent. Here are some links that I have. At work during medical managers meetings we analyzed medical research studies with our so-called Champion MD Expert. Exponent was discussed and we reviewed their studies. Long before this all started I already knew of Exponent and who they were, type of work they do, and questions existing regarding their work. My professional work was medicine.
Here are some links re: some info on Exponent. I have more on other issues they were involved in also. I have had many bookmarked for several years. These links undeniably help undestand how corporations influence laws, views, etc. Drug companies also attempt to influence medical research. Helps reveal types of reports Exponent does. They are good at what they do. They win - no one investigates findings. If they lose - someone has fought back and researched their findings. Just providing only small sample.
EXPONENT - TOBACCO DEFENSE REPORTS
UCSF medical center San Francsco mentioned in this article did indeed carefully avoiding legal liability issues make claim against Exponent that they are not a neutral firm because of their reports that showed smoking does not cause cancer. This University of California Medical Center San Francisco Cardiologist was interviewed on CNN and I saw the interview. Tobacco use and medical research are one of his areas of expertise. UCSF medical center is one of the top teaching medical centers in US.
EXPONENT AND ASBESTOS - AUTO MANUFACTURERS
This is why I highly question any type of report Exponent produces for Toyota. Any firm that writes reports that say tobacco doesn't cause cancer, reports written that asbestos doesn't cause mesothelioma(similar to lung cancer), etc., writes & publishes proven fraudulant research study chromium 6 doesn't cause high rates of cancer, etc will always have questions about type of reports they write. And links I provided are only the "tip of the iceberg."
Hope this helps when bloggers evaluate Exponent. Why did Toyota hire Exponent?? I don't know?? But was quite disappointed when I heard this news. Someone here provided good insight - like getting exam question answers a day before exam taken. Already know what Exponent will most likely report. This firm is a litigation defense firm and their reports almost always defend their clients.
#2135 of 3623 Saga of Ms. Smith's Lexus ES 350
Mar 06, 2010 (8:14 pm)
...Ms Smith's UA incident started just as she was entering the highway, just about the time one might normally actuate "set/accel" mode. Then later the engine begins acting "normally" once the braking gets the speed down to ~35MPH, the approximate speed that cruise control is automatically disabled. ...
Speaking of Ms. Smith, NTHSA bought that car from a second owner at full MSRP (lucky bastard). link title
So Ms. Smith drove the car for 3000 miles, had a scary UA, and sold it. The second owner drove the same car for 30,000 miles and never had a single incident of UA. I am glad NHTSA bought that car to prove that she's full of it.
#2136 of 3623 Re: Dr Gibert [roho1]
Mar 06, 2010 (8:27 pm)
When you are referring to how much Dr. Gilbert was paid - realize at hearing this was disclosed. $1800, $150 per hour, $4000 for equipment needed. Quite minimal amount of money!! Also was disclosed Gilbert had startd this all out on his own as he had purchased a Toyota Tundra. One of his teaching areas of expertise is auto electronics. The publicity of SUA/UA enticed him to investigate, and since he had all at his disposal proceeded ahead. Once he had a breakthrough he contacted Toyota, NHTSA, and Sean Kane. Kane called him back right away. NHTSA and Toyota did not. Kane got financial assistance and provided the tiny amount of "peanut" money. All was approved by University of Southern Illinois before proceeding ahead.
Now compare to what Toyota pays Exponent. In hearing Toyota declined to answer this question to committee. Toyota has used them in other legal lawsuits. Reports seen have estimated at least $1,000,000+ each year if not more paid to Exponent by Toyota.
So who do we believe??? The defense firm??? Or Dr Dave Gilbert a University Professor??? You must relaize Dave Gilbert has lots to lose, Toyota donates autos and gave $100,000 to university auto technology department where he works. Why would he want to hurt his program for only a small amount of money?? Dave Gilbert has always maintained he is not out to harm Toyota. His pursuit is to help Toyota and all other manufacturers address SUA/UA.
#2137 of 3623 Re: Toyota Accelerator Problem [kent19]
Mar 06, 2010 (8:30 pm)
You would think so. Even there is a brake override in place, there are still UA complaint with NHTSA. Is it because the driver or the car? I can't believe that Audi/VW had 21.6 UA complaints in FY2008 while Toyota Lexus only had 6.8 UA complaints. If those complaints are garbage than the UA incident is likely to be extremely rare.
#2138 of 3623 Re: Dr Gibert [sharonkl]
Mar 06, 2010 (8:32 pm)
The Truth is Dr Gilbert has integrity. Toyota and Exponent have absolutely ZERO integrity. The more I read about Toyota the more despicable I find them. It would not break my heart to see them go bankrupt. They have done things much worse than GM or C ever thought of doing.
#2139 of 3623 Re: Saga of Ms. Smith's Lexus ES 350 [tomjava]
Mar 06, 2010 (8:34 pm)
Lexus already had repaired Smith's auto. As police would say - that auto should have already been considered excluded because of Lexus repair. Any legal stance, findings are lost due to no outside professional oversight as witness to/during actual repair.
#2140 of 3623 Re: Toyota Accelerator Problem [tomjava]
Mar 06, 2010 (8:35 pm)
You are becoming a broken record and a joke. Name one VW vehicle with UA reported to NHTSA. You keep posting the same anonymous chart. No one will take credit for it as it is Bogus.
#2141 of 3623 Re: . [tomjava]
Mar 06, 2010 (8:40 pm)
I have reasonable theory.
Since VW has brake override feature more people are able to control UA and survive.
Dead people do not log complaints with NHSTA.
Just a theory.
#2142 of 3623 Re: . [krzyss]
Mar 06, 2010 (8:43 pm)
I like your theory. More truth than fiction.