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#214 of 3623 Re: Autoblog has a good video on this subject.. [wwest]
Jan 30, 2010 (4:46 pm)
Until the firmware source code is revealed (FAT CHANCE..!!)and analyzed by someone of appropriate knowledge there can be no balanced and knowledgeable independent explanation.
Toyota also closely guards the Event Data Recorder information. So no outside entity can determine what happened before an accident. There is still the Smoking Gun delivered to the dealer with WOT. And the driver says the pedal WAS NOT DEPRESSED with the car at full throttle. That does not sound like a pedal problem. Something beyond the throttle pedal was keeping the car at WOT.
Why doesn't the NHTSA force Toyota to reveal the firmware for outside review? Why do they allow them to hide the information in the EDR? The 2008 Avalon that ended upside down in a pond killing 4 people was NOT floor mat related. Was it a sticking pedal? Where is the EDR data from that December 26th tragedy? 2100 accidents attributed to SUA is significant.
The LA Times was not intimidated by the Toyota response last year.
The reverberations continued Friday as Toyota announced that a European recall could include up to 1.8 million cars, pushing the global total to 9 million, or nearly as many vehicles as were sold in the U.S. last year.
#215 of 3623 Re: Autoblog has a good video on this subject.. [explorerx4]
Jan 30, 2010 (4:59 pm)
They apparently use the CTS pedal.
#216 of 3623 NYT article on the subject today..
Jan 30, 2010 (5:01 pm)
Toyota to Issue a Fix for Recalled Cars
By MICHELINE MAYNARD
Published: January 30, 2010
DETROIT — Toyota Motor has come up with a remedy to fix the millions of cars it recalled because their accelerator pedals could become stuck, federal officials and dealers said Saturday.
Word of the remedy came as the French automaker Peugeot said it was recalling cars it builds with Toyota at a plant the companies operate together in the Czech Republic, widening a recall that has already affected cars in the United States, Canada, China and throughout Europe.
Toyota presented a plan for repairing the potentially sticky pedals to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, a senior official at the Transportation Department said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity.
The safety agency is not required to approve remedies but can reject them if it thinks they will not sufficiently address defects. The agency did not reject the remedy, the Transportation official said.
Toyota officials phoned dealers Saturday to say that a remedy was ready.
“We got the call this morning,” said Peter Blackstock, the owner of Victory Toyota and Lexus Monterey Peninsula in Seaside, Calif. “The parts are on their way.”
A Toyota spokesman, Mike Michels, said the company planned an announcement next week and would send letters to owners, but he cautioned it could take several weeks for notices to arrive. Toyota wants owners to wait for the letters before they take their cars to dealerships for repairs, he said.
Mr. Blackstock said he expected that dealers would be sent replacement accelerator pedals, which are produced for Toyota by CTS, a parts supplier based in Elkhart, Ind.
Separately on Saturday, the traffic safety agency said it had opened an investigation into the manufacture of the accelerator pedals.
Last week, Toyota said it would temporary stop production and sales of eight models — as well as sales of the Pontiac Vibe, which Toyota makes on behalf of General Motors — at plants throughout the United States and Canada. The plants are scheduled to be closed for a week beginning on Monday.
Toyota did not stop production or sales at plants in Europe because it said it had already devised and implemented a remedy there.
The recall for accelerator pedals involves 4.1 million cars in the United States, Europe and elsewhere. Toyota has also recalled another 5.4 million cars in the United States whose accelerator pedals could get stuck on floor mats. Worldwide, the recalls affect more than 9.5 million vehicles.
The recalls have given a black eye to Toyota, which grew to become the world’s largest automaker, and the second largest in the United States, based on a reputation for building high-quality vehicles.
On Friday, Toyota’s chief executive, Akio Toyoda, apologized for the problem but said consumers should feel confident driving the company’s cars.
Toyota’s competitors have tried to capitalize on the company’s troubles by offering trade-in deals to Toyota owners. But it is still unclear what effect the recalls might have on Toyota’s sales in the United States.
Edmunds.com, a Web site that provides car-buying advice, forecast that Toyota’s market share for January would fall to a four-year low. But AutoTrader.com, which tracks consumers’ shopping habits, said consideration of Toyota brands had actually risen over the last few days.
Mr. Blackstock, the California dealer, said he hoped repairs could be completed quickly. He said he did not think the recalls would have a lasting effect on his business, or that of Toyota.
“If this is the worst thing that happens to us this year, it should be a pretty good year,” Mr. Blackstock said.
Life goes on. Fixes will be installed, new pedals will be installed and sales will go on. The long view.
#217 of 3623 Re: Is it just the gas pedal ? [deltheking]
Jan 30, 2010 (5:15 pm)
Sounds like 'ol revit is wanting to get some of them "reparations" to me. Maybe a free 2009 Camry. Not gonna happen revit.
#218 of 3623 Re: Is it just the gas pedal ? [houdini1]
Jan 30, 2010 (5:20 pm)
The problem is not the pedals so once again, Toyota does not have a fix for the problem; yet another Toyota cover up.
#219 of 3623 Re: the fix is in [steve_]
Jan 30, 2010 (5:23 pm)
Sounds a bit like last year when Toyota announced all was hunky dory. The next day the NHTSA slapped them down and said not all is well. This was an anonymous person with the NHTSA giving the go ahead on the pedal fix. Sure you can put in your parts. That does not mean the investigation is over. Too many unanswered questions. What about the WOT without a sticking pedal? ABC is too involved with that case to let Toyota try a fast one. I am sure Toyota would love to SHIM their way out of this mess.
#220 of 3623 Toyota in race to save its image
Jan 30, 2010 (5:23 pm)
Since first importing cars to the United States more than five decades ago, Toyota Motor Corp. has slowly and steadily built itself into the world's preeminent automaker, developing a strong reputation for technical expertise and reliability.
Now two major recalls and Tuesday's decision to suspend making and selling eight models because of a safety issue put Toyota's gains at risk.
How well the Japanese automaker responds may determine whether it can avoid the inexorable trends that eventually sent former industry leader General Motors Corp. into bankruptcy last year -- an aging customer base and a seeming inability to tackle quality issues squarely.
Unless it can quickly identify and come up with a fix for the occasional but sometimes deadly acceleration problems that have plagued its vehicle line, there will be more formerly loyal customers, such as John Whiffen of Malibu, who will flee to other brands.
Whiffen, a longtime Toyota fan who prized the vehicles for their feeling of safety, began having sudden-acceleration problems last spring with one of the two Highlander sport utility vehicles in the family, which also owns a Lexus.
But his dealer downplayed the first three incidents, and Whiffen continued driving it until a fourth incident in August sent his SUV into a wall, causing $12,000 in damage.
This week, nearly six months later, he said, the dealer's service department called to tell him the vehicle had no problems and checked out fine. For Whiffen, a retired orthopedic surgeon, it was the last straw.
"I thought Toyota was a very good company and built good products," Whiffen said. "Now I wouldn't even consider buying a Toyota in the future. This whole event tells me that they don't value my life, and that means I should never buy another car from them."
Jan 30, 2010 (5:27 pm)
I was thinking exactly the same thing as you as I read revit's post just above yours. The sticking accelerator pedal may be part of the problem but like you say, what about the cases of WOT w/o the sticking gas pedal?
Or are those accusations just something made up? Stick around to the end of our show and you'll see if these are true or did we just try and shim them in on you while your weren't looking.
Sorry, couldn't resist the "Fact or Fiction" allegory. Thought I was watching that show for a second.
#222 of 3623 Re: Toyota was legally required to stop selling recalled models [wwest]
Jan 30, 2010 (5:33 pm)
After watching the various informative "pedal' videos, and reading posted info about several folks who probably DID NOT have a sticking pedal during excessive acceleration, I must agree with wwest. It is very inconclusive that a sticky pedal is the primary cause of all of these run-a-way incidents.
If Toyota replaced my very smooth CTS accelerator pedal assembly tomorrow, I'm not sure I would feel any safer!
And by the way, I ignored the Toyota letter about removing the floor mats in my 2007 Avalon. There is no way that my properly anchored, factory carpet, mats are ever going to cause a problem with the accelerator pedal.
#223 of 3623 Re: Toyota in race to save its image [revit]
Jan 30, 2010 (5:41 pm)
the dealer's service department called to tell him the vehicle had no problems and checked out fine. For Whiffen, a retired orthopedic surgeon, it was the last straw.
I see these technicians with all automakers as Laptop jockeys. If they cannot find an error code when they plug in and do an analysis, all is OK. And if they do it is change a module and put the car on the road. What happens when there is a failure that does not show up? Like a mechanical part that wears out? Do these cars have sensors on every mechanical device to determine a fault? It seems all too often we read complaints from owners where the dealers just blame it on the consumer. For someone with 150k trouble free miles, it is not the vehicle's fault. Even here on Edmund's we have gotten people coming in frustrated with a vehicle and the proponents of that brand will castigate the poster to where they just leave. So we never find out the outcome of their problem. Much of this is coming to a head with Toyota.