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#2048 of 3623 Toyota's fix is a bust, owners claim
Mar 04, 2010 (4:35 am)
Toyota's fix is a bust, owners claim
Some Toyota owners have begun complaining that their vehicles suddenly accelerated even after dealerships made repairs to fix the problem, according to reports filed with federal safety regulators.
At least seven complaints, filed in the last two weeks with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, allege that after the recall service to modify pedals and replace floor mats the cars still surged out of control.
Although the allegations are unverified by the agency, they are a worrying sign that the nearly 10 million recall notices issued by Toyota may not fully address the problem of unintended acceleration -- which some believe is caused by problems in the electronic throttle system, rather than mechanical issues involving pedals.
NHTSA has said it will review Toyota electronics to see whether they are a potential cause, and the automaker has commissioned a private study of its throttle system.
The safety agency said that it had begun to investigate the new reports of recurring sudden acceleration on Tuesday. "NHTSA has already started contacting consumers about these complaints to get to the bottom of the problem and to make sure Toyota is doing everything possible to make its vehicles safe," said David Strickland, NHTSA administrator.
Among the other complaints was one involving a 2009 Camry in Massachusetts that "still does not respond immediately to de-accelerate" after the driver's foot is taken off the pedal, even though it was taken in under the recall Feb. 22. Another described a 2008 Avalon in Atlanta that was repaired but only a few days later "accelerated on its own and . . . did about 3 loops around the garage area of the home causing damage to the car, benches, tree, bushes, lamp post, etc."
Some consumers don't allege unintended acceleration but say the fixes created other problems in their vehicles.
A 2007 Camry driver from Sherrill, N.Y., for example, said that since the repair, the car idles fast in reverse, cruise control does not disengage properly and various check engine lights come on. The owner of a 2005 Avalon in Houston, meanwhile, said that following the recall service, his wife stepped on the gas and found that nothing happened, causing it to lose speed on the highway.
#2049 of 3623 Re: Toyota Safety Recall Received [sharonkl]
Mar 04, 2010 (5:11 am)
NEWS ALERT TODAY - Toyota will be giving $100+ million to help employees to be laid off at the Toyota/GM plant here in California. Seems Toyota made statement - wish GM would do something too.
Government Motors is not obligated to NUMMI or its employees any more since they went BK. NUMMI writeoff became part of Motors Liquidation Corp which means Goverment Motors has an excuse (surprised?) to wipe its hands of it. That was one of the high points of Lentzs trial hearing (Not many of them that's for sure). He came out and explained the Numi operation and when questioned by the Califrnia rep (forget his name) about "Stepping up and keeping the NUMMI open) he responded with something along the lines of "wish our partner would step up as well"...
#2050 of 3623 Re: Toyota Safety Recall Received [gagrice]
Mar 04, 2010 (5:16 am)
Depends on the model as far as ride goes. I drove a V6 Sport and the ride is not tuned for comfort at all. But the chassis and suspension tuning makes for a very entertaining drive, especially for and SUV. It is probably Toyotas most entertaining and sporty vehicle in the entire lineup.
But again it's not for comfort and the interior is not even close to luxurious by any means.
With that said, I can't see how it a Tacoma truck would be a better ride
Mar 04, 2010 (6:13 am)
Obama's Clowns Crashing Toyota's Circus
First, the Wall Street Journal notes that "plaintiff attorneys," the Democratic party's major paymasters, are following the testimony closely. This publicity will make it easier for them to recruit people for lawsuits against Toyota. Then once they've collected a large client base, whatever information the hearing committee collects will save them money running down data. We can expect more lawsuits complete with bogus science - if the full power of the Federal government can't find any evidence of electronic malfunction, how can an attorney, not matter how well funded by earlier settlements?
Second, the Obama administration's popularity is dropping like a rock. From sky-high polls at his inauguration, Mr. Obama has messed up so badly that people are talking seriously of the Republicans capturing both the House and Senate this November. Politicians in that situation will do anything at all to distract voters from their failures.
Since Toyota plants are not unionized, every Toyota sold is that much dues money that doesn't go to the United Auto Workers. Every Toyota sold is that much money that the UAW can't use to help Democrats this coming November. Barack Obama famously fired GM's CEO; in effect, he now is the CEO of "Government Motors." Is it any wonder he's using his power to promote his company and hamstring the competition?
#2052 of 3623 No Political Garbage, Please
Mar 04, 2010 (6:33 am)
What is political crap doing in this forum? Moderator, please take action.
#2053 of 3623 Re: Toyota Safety Recall Received [anythngbutgm]
Mar 04, 2010 (6:39 am)
With that said, I can't see how it a Tacoma truck would be a better ride
I went with them a few times up Interstate 8 for breakfast. The RAV4 was decent riding. Not as stable in the wind as my Sequoia. That section of I8 has some nasty crosswinds most of the time. I think that is what they like about the Tacoma, a more stable ride. They have the two wheel drive Tacoma with V6. They traded an F150 in on the RAV4. I don't think people like myself that are used to PU trucks, can ever really be comfortable in a sedan or foo foo CUV. I don't like driving our LS400. I am just trying to wear it out. Too bad Toyota does not build them like they did in 1990.
#2054 of 3623 Re: No Political Garbage, Please [andyfromva]
Mar 04, 2010 (6:44 am)
That is not in the Politics section. It is economic news. It seems the government has taken over everything, including production and sales of automobiles. Now they are trying to destroy the competition. Very much a part of this discussion.
#2055 of 3623 Re: No Political Garbage, Please [gagrice]
Mar 04, 2010 (6:50 am)
Has taken over? To imply the government didn't have control eons ago? Please.
#2056 of 3623 Re: the $64,000 dollar question [steve_]
Mar 04, 2010 (7:51 am)
Hope someone that professionally works in auto development/engineering decides to take this on as a pet project. Does Toyota agree to not pursue any legal action against these individuals?
#2057 of 3623 Re: Good read [anythngbutgm]
Mar 04, 2010 (9:29 am)
Now politics. This one seems to be Democratic bashing. Others I have seen seem to be Republican bashing. But it is apparent this article is not covering all the facts and statistics available. I note he quotes only the first Edmunds statistical data study on SUA/UA complaints..Yes, that long term study for totals does reveal Toyota is 17th. But does not reveal how auto manufacturers are doing more recently. First was a good study, and I commend Edmunds for undertaking this task. Then Edmunds was great and did a more recent study over past 3-4 years. Toyota had most and Ford came in second. Etc. This study can be found in Edmunds press releases at bottom of their home wesite page. And there are others available, each can be evaluated.
Good for another opinion. But we must be fair when we evaluate. Look at all the facts out there that have come forward and compare to help validate. There is a timeline available, actions taken, documents - over the years to the present.
Another example are the new reports coming out about Toyota's former attorney's supoenaed documents. Towns sends letter with accusations lodged against Toyota in one report. Then Issa sends Town letter accusing Town of incorrectly making statements in his letter to Toyota in one report yesterday. Another report says court documents of that case reveal SUA was was in fact claimed in that case also. A safety site has report detrimentlal to former attorney Biller. H-mmm????? Towns is chairman and would assume any letter sent and publicly released to press is representative of the committee opinion??? Chairman should have to ask for a committee vote to send such a letter and then release publicly??