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#1982 of 3623 Toyota Safety Recall Received
Mar 02, 2010 (11:58 am)
I have just received a multi-part Toyota Safety Recall/Limited Service Campaign document in the mail for my 2007 Avalon. In summary:
Safety Recall A0A-Installation of "precision-cut steel reinforcement bar" (shim) into the pedal assembly. Significant statement-"if you are not satisfied with pedal operation or feel after installation of reinforcement bar, a REPLACEMENT PEDAL ASSEMBLY will be offered at no charge WHEN THEY BECOME AVAILABLE".
Floor Mat Interference Recall-Standard verbage about correct mat, grinding pedal, carpet clearance. Significant statement-"Toyota has determined that this defect does not exist in vehicles with correct and properly secured floormats".
At the bottom of the floor mat recall is another very significant statement-"AS AN ADDITIONAL MEASURE INDEPENDENT OF THE VEHICLE-BASED RECALL, TOYOTA WILL INSTALL A NEWLY DESIGNED OVERRIDE SYSTEM TO PROVIDE AN EXTRA MEASURE OF CONFIDENCE. THE SYSTEM WILL CUT ENGINE POWER IN CASE OF SIMULTANEOUS APPLICATION OF BOTH ACCELERATOR AND BRAKE PEDALS AT CERTAIN SPEEDS AND DRIVING CONDITIONS. THIS INSTALLATION WILL BE CONDUCTED AT NO CHARGE TO YOU.
Limited Service Campaign for VVTi Oil Hose-Replacement of oil hose with "newly designed" one. Significant statement-"The oil hose may leak, producing abnormal engine noise and illumination of oil pressure light". There is no mention of ruptured hose, loss of all engine oil, severe engine damage (abnormal noise?), etc.
It seems to me that Toyota has addressed most of the current safety issues relevant to my Avalon, but the downplay of these issues is deplorable. The addition of the brake override fix to the bottom of the floor mat recall and calling it a "system" was a stroke of genius from their PR people.!
#1983 of 3623 Re: Recent WSJ article [graphicguy]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Mar 02, 2010 (12:21 pm)
I think you're thinking of Wwest, Sharon.
#1984 of 3623 Re: Recent WSJ article [steve_]
Mar 02, 2010 (12:32 pm)
Thanks Steve. My mistake.
#1985 of 3623 Re: Toyota Safety Recall Received [popsavalon]
Mar 02, 2010 (12:41 pm)
"AS AN ADDITIONAL MEASURE INDEPENDENT OF THE VEHICLE-BASED RECALL, TOYOTA WILL INSTALL A NEWLY DESIGNED OVERRIDE SYSTEM TO PROVIDE AN EXTRA MEASURE OF CONFIDENCE. THE SYSTEM WILL CUT ENGINE POWER IN CASE OF SIMULTANEOUS APPLICATION OF BOTH ACCELERATOR AND BRAKE PEDALS AT CERTAIN SPEEDS AND DRIVING CONDITIONS. THIS INSTALLATION WILL BE CONDUCTED AT NO CHARGE TO YOU.
popsavalon.....good news....and certainly about time.
Now, I wonder where the other MYs will fall with this same workaround?
#1986 of 3623 Correct auto demonstration between VW & Toyota
Mar 02, 2010 (12:48 pm)
I clicked on my link from Consumer Reports and found first video was deleted by CR. H-mmm
Here is original CR one I had saved - found You Tube. Two car comparison - Toyota & VW
#1987 of 3623 Re: Recent WSJ article [graphicguy]
Mar 02, 2010 (12:51 pm)
>installing brake over ride will not solve Toyota's UA problems. What it WILL DO, is to offer the driver an easy way to bring the car under control if it does experience UA (just tap the brake pedal).
If the computer responds to the input from the brake pedal correctly.
If the current UA is related to cruise control portion of the machine language, the brake pedal that doesn't respond now to cancelling cruise won't respond to cancelling full acceleration for runaway unintended acceleration.
The brake interlock needs to be superior to the computer's core operation.
#1988 of 3623 Re: Toyota Safety Recall Received [popsavalon]
Mar 02, 2010 (1:05 pm)
Good for you! You got under the second expanded list of Toyota models for brake override. Congratulations.
#1989 of 3623 Re: Recent WSJ article [wwest]
Mar 02, 2010 (1:08 pm)
Steve alerted me I should have addressed this to you.
I just remembered you had asked me about the air conditioning issue in your Porsche. I am so sorry I forgot. Spoke with my son last night. He has a 2005 911 Turbo 996 Chasis(hope I got this 996 # correct?), and has had no such problems. Works fine and was driving all the time until recently. Engineers are working on a pet project he gave them re: something?
He wasn't quite sure what was happening with your vehicle. Sort of out of his expertise area. But he did say he had heard of no problems, but that didn't mean anything either to him.
#1991 of 3623 Re: Toyota Safety Recall Received [graphicguy]
Mar 02, 2010 (2:02 pm)
I seem to be having trouble communicating this point. The brake override software update is probably not good news. Brake override will only work when everything is running fine (i.e. you are not experiencing UA). If everything is running fine (you are not experiencing UA), then you don't need brake override.
The brake override logic that the computer needs to process is: "IF brake is depressed, THEN set engine to idle" regardless of the position of the gas pedal.
If you are experiencing UA, then the computer is hung/frozen/hosed. If the computer is in this state at the time the brake gets depressed, the computer is not going to do anything to bring the engine to idle. That would explain why it also does not respond to a change in shifter position or "engine off" button presses.