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#1955 of 3623 Re: Toyota oil hose fix to reach 1.6 mln cars globally [imidazol97]
Mar 02, 2010 (7:08 am)
Revit, Toyota's fix for vehicles with ruptured oil lines has been to replace the defective part with another rubber line. There is an all metal line available (Toyota has been using it on new V-6 vehicles for over a year), but dealers make all sorts of excuses about installing it. Toyota is also saying this is not a safety issue, but I would say that dumping all the engine oil under the wheels of a vehicle at highway speed might qualify. I purchased the metal line for under $40, and got it installed under warranty on my 2007 Avalon BEFORE I had a problem.
Google toyotav6oillinescandal for a very comprehensive site about how bad this problem really is.
#1956 of 3623 Re: How Crisis started [graphicguy]
Mar 02, 2010 (7:13 am)
It'll just be hysteria until he or a friend or relative is killed or injured. Then it'll be a serious issue that must be immediately addressed.
#1957 of 3623 Re: Toyota oil hose fix to reach 1.6 mln cars globally [popsavalon]
Mar 02, 2010 (7:14 am)
Why would Toyota use a rubber line in the first place? Doesn't motor oil eat rubber?
#1958 of 3623 Re: V6 oil line problem [popsavalon]
Mar 02, 2010 (7:41 am)
I googled and found it interesting. Must research more. H-mmmm. Modern day technology helps public find out many facts that in past were probably kept from us. This is quite good.
#1959 of 3623 Japan system - National Safety Organization - Data System
Mar 02, 2010 (7:55 am)
"Ministry officials note that a small fraction of incidents make their way to the ministry because most drivers report auto malfunctions to their dealers. And in Japan dealers and manufacturers are under no obligation to give that information to the government, unless the company believes it failed to comply with national safety standards.
For the government to order a recall, it must have proof of a potentially dangerous defect, which is difficult to find without cooperation from the automaker."
I still have not confimed this report from NY Times, but does reveal US citizens must be cautious when evaluating statistics from other countries & the possible questions of those national safety agencies those countries have set up. Does appear at least Japan and China may have not established good national safety organizations to protect their citizen's safety.
Toyota may control the complaints in these countries?? Does anyone else know/have more info??
#1960 of 3623 Re: Toyota oil hose fix to reach 1.6 mln cars globally [lemko]
Mar 02, 2010 (8:12 am)
I would speculate that the rubber line was (is) cheaper than the all metal line. Failure mode is typically leak or rupture after 30-50K miles. Strategy of current fix may be that another rubber line will probably move the next failure past any vehicle engine warranty period. Toyota quietly went to all metal lines on new North American V-6 vehicles in mid year 2008.
Toyota has not acknowledged that loss of all engine oil at highway speed probably results in a severly damaged engine. The low oil light does not come on.
#1962 of 3623 Re: Recent WSJ article [xrunner2]
Mar 02, 2010 (8:36 am)
w....as Ford said, they're cruise controls were pinpointed as a problem, and did a recall to rectify it. As Lentz has said, even with the floormats and sticky pedal fixes, Toyota doesn't know the cause in about 70% of reported cases.
Yet, Toyota states unequivocally that electronics/software are NOT the problem. Yet, they offer no evidence that brought them to that conclusion. Therein lies their problem.
There's been expert testimony that their electronics/software can indeed cause the problem, Toyota dismisses it flatly.
The one thing they can do, they won't do. That is install the brake over ride to their system. In some cases that's a simple reflash. In other cases, they'll have to replace the ECU/EPROM to accept the reflash. Installing the brake over ride systems won't cure their UA problem (as it sounds like they're using code from as far back as 1996, which may be faulty).. But, it will offer a simple workaround if one experiences UA in a Toyota....that is, just tap the brake pedal.
It appears that the reason Toyota doesn't want to institute this reflash for UA in their vehicles is because it would cost them too much to do so.
IMHO, you can put no price on public safety....especially given the first person testimony and facts that Toyota chooses to ignore. One life lost is 1 too many. Toyota doesn't share that view, though.
WE can't change the past. We can't bring back the lives of the CHP's family. We can't change the nightmarish experience of Ms. Smith in her Lexus.
Toyota can affect the lives and well being of those who drive their vehicles going forward, however by installing the brake over ride. Again, they see it as important, since they're installing it in their new vehicles. However, they do not want to bear the expense of doing it for the millions of vehicles that could be affected from as far back as the mid-'90s.
For the record, I don't expect them to install brake over ride of say a '96 Camry. However, it would be reasonable to expect them to do it over the vehicles they've produced....say, over the last 5 or 6 years. Before that time, it's hard to gauge the condition of a pre-2004 model. So, to me MY 2004 Toyota/Lexus vehicles would be reasonable to have the reflash done. But, they flatly refuse to do even that.
#1963 of 3623 Re: How Crisis started [lemko]
Mar 02, 2010 (8:37 am)
The blogger that referred to the UA/SUA viral publicity and pressure is entitled to his opinion. This is USA. But his own documented words do provide some psychological evidence/substantiation into his personal views and character and integrity values. His factual comments claimed can therefore be analyzed & some assumptions formed - he either does not know all the facts, or he doesn't care about the welfare of other people at all. Why? Those who do know facts, have so far been forming an entirely different view. These statistics are people, not just numbers.
#1964 of 3623 Re: Recent WSJ article [xrunner2]
Mar 02, 2010 (8:43 am)
From the WSJ article:
"When you analyze NHTSA data and remove the complaints due to the speed control deactivation switch, which we recalled in 2005, Ford's performance in this category has improved each year and our complaints have been significantly lower than Toyota's each year since 2005."
Ford has been doing something Toyota has not. At least that is how it appears.