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#1904 of 3623 Re: CTS Pedal - Video - put in freezing water & baked in - no apparent effect [graphicguy]
Mar 01, 2010 (12:20 pm)
No one has come forward with a broken, or sticky pedal.
It is quite possible that Toyota came up with that to cover cases where no floor mats were involved. Like the Avalon in TX that roared into a pond and 4 people died. If they could have gotten the NHTSA to actually sign off on the Shim Scam it would have been a dirt cheap fix. With no one actually buying into the shim, what will be their next final fix for 8.5 million vehicles? With probably more than that being added with either a defective whatever in the DBW system or the CC. Was this the CC problem Lentz let slip during testimony.
TL- THE CONTACT OWNS A 2007 TOYOTA SEQUOIA. THE CONTACT STATED WHILE DRIVING AT 55 MPH AFTER RELEASING THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL THE PEDAL NEVER RELEASED AND INCREASED THE SPEED OF THE VEHICLE TO 90 MPH. THE CONTACT PUT THE VEHICLE INTO NEUTRAL AND SHUT THE VEHICLE OFF. THE CONTACT WAS ABLE TO PULL THE VEHICLE OFF THE ROAD AND CHECK TO SEE IF THE FLOOR MAT CAUSED THE VEHICLE TO ACCELERATE AND IT WASN'T. THE CONTACT RESTART THE VEHICLE WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. THE CONTACT CALLED THE MANUFACTURER AND THEY INFORMED THE CONTACT TO TAKE THE VEHICLE TO A DEALER. THE DEALER PREFORMED A DIAGNOSTIC TEST AND FOUND NOTHING WRONG WITH THE VEHICLE. THE CONTACT FEELS THIS YEAR SHOULD BE ADDED TO RECALL NUMBER 10V17000 CONCERNING THE STICKY PEDAL. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 55,000. JO
As usual no error codes No Trouble Found. How convenient?
#1905 of 3623 Not Corolla but another recall on certain v6's Toyotas
Mar 01, 2010 (12:22 pm)
A bit OT but it does sort of fit in...when it rains it pours! Just an FYI for those with the affected autos! LIKE THE WAY THEY SAY IT IS NOT A RECALL!
UPDATE 1-Toyota to replace oil hose in 933,800 cars
Mon Mar 1, 2010 2:50pm EST
TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION
* V6 Camry, Avalon, Rav4, Lexus vehicles involved
Stocks | Cyclical Consumer Goods
* Fix part of 'Limited service campaign', not recall
* Oil hose may develop a hole, potentially causing leak
DETROIT, March 1 (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) will replace an oil hose in some 933,800 vehicles in the United States due to the risk of a potential leak that if left untreated could damage the engine, the automaker said on Monday.
On some Camry, Avalon, Rav4 and Lexus vehicles equipped with V6 engines, the rubber portion of the engine oil hose may develop a small hole, potentially causing oil leakage and engine failure, Toyota said in a document sent out to U.S. dealers and obtained by Reuters on Monday.
Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons confirmed the company had sent the document on a "limited service campaign" to U.S. dealers. He added the oil hose issue is not a safety issue and the vehicles are not being recalled.
Lyons said a leak would likely be noticed by drivers as an oil puddle beneath a vehicle.
The service campaign covers 2007-2010 model year Camry, 2005-2009 Avalon, 2006-
#1906 of 3623 Re: CTS Pedal - Video - put in freezing water & baked in - no apparent effect [gagrice]
Mar 01, 2010 (1:00 pm)
gagrice....yeah, these reports are just coming in more and more. Floormats. sticky pedals....none of them are the obvious answer. Yet, the one obvious answer, Toyota says has been thoroughly investigated by their massive "invisible" engineering dept and dismissed the claims....even though other experts have tried to point them in the right direction.
How many people think that Exponent is going to come to the same conclusions as Toyota? I think that's a foregone conclusion. Does anyone think that Exponent is employed to do anything but give Toyota the answers they want them to hear? Kind of like having the answers to the final exam a day before the exam takes place.
Sharon.....considering the SEC investigation, I think one could draw some conclusions. That is, they're providing evidence to the DOJ. Why else would the SEC be involved? Then there's the FBI raid on Toyota's suppliers. Who knows what they're looking for? My guess, evidence of either collusion, and/or documents showing Toyota's "book of rules/knowledge" that Biler talked about.
Mar 01, 2010 (12:50 pm)
Back in the congressional hearings, Representative Bobby Rush (D-Ill.) played another tragedy for the committee. It was the case mentioned in my last column, that of the Toyota Avalon that on Dec. 26, 2009, went into a pond and killed four people in Southlake, Tex. Rush apparently felt he should go on record before Congress about this because one of the individuals killed in that tragedy had a relative in his district.
Rush's emotionally charged statement concerns a case that continues to reverberate. Yet it should be noted that Southlake police saw no evidence that the driver attempted to brake before the Avalon entered the water. One eyewitness claimed to have passed the car prior to the accident and been unable to see a driver sitting up.
More troubling is the insinuation in the media by the driver's widow that the car had been taken several times to Texas Toyota of Grapevine for unintended acceleration with no problem found. The family's attorney, Randy Roberts of Tyler, Tex., repeated her allegations this past weekend in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. However, Chris Grady, general manager of Texas Toyota, has already turned over the service records on that Avalon to both Toyota and Mr. Roberts. And those records show that the Avalon had been in their shop once and once only—for nothing more than an oil change. There were no complaints on any malfunction whatsoever .
#1908 of 3623 Re: Posted yet? [anythngbutgm]
Mar 01, 2010 (1:30 pm)
>More troubling is the insinuation in the media by the driver's widow that the car had been taken several times to Texas Toyota of Grapevine for unintended acceleration with no problem found. The family's attorney, Randy Roberts of Tyler, Tex., repeated her allegations this past weekend in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. However, Chris Grady, general manager of Texas Toyota, has already turned over the service records on that Avalon to both Toyota and Mr. Roberts. And those records show that the Avalon had been in their shop once and once only—for nothing more than an oil change. There were no complaints on any malfunction whatsoever
With the record of suppressing data for NHTSA reporting, I venture that they don't log complaints about SUA at the toyota stores. They're just treated as chaff--unnecessary stuff that they throw up in the air and it blows away in the wind.
There! All fixed!
#1909 of 3623 How Crisis started
Mar 01, 2010 (1:38 pm)
This is the shocking, startling, heart wrenching tape that spread like wildfire across the US. CHP released this tape to the public. I am sure CHP was very angry, as they always, always protect their own. CHP would not release this tape and hurt these individuals surviving family members, unless they had a huge message to give to the public.
Many of you may not like me posting this. But this is the horrible reality of what happened in their own words. This poor nice family lost their lives in a real life SUA/UA incident.
The is a reminder to all of us. As humans, I know we don't like to hear this tape. But it is good to remind us SUA/UA can take away the precious human life of a loved one in a flash. This family is not just a statistic. It's good for us to keep reminding DHTSA and Toyota of this.
My heartfelt support and sympathy is sent to all the family members of this poor family.
#1910 of 3623 Re: Posted yet? [imidazol97]
Mar 01, 2010 (1:38 pm)
I venture that they don't log complaints about SUA at the toyota stores.
I can tell you for a FACT that Toyota dealers do not log all complaints. I had a list for them to check on my 5000 mile service. Most were "that is the way it is supposed to be". Or "bring it in while it is failing". The next time I asked if they had gotten any info on my complaint for the NAV and XM radio. They had no record of it. They don't seem to keep a nation wide database of troubles either. The two other dealers I have used for service did not see any complaints from me. That is Toyota's idea of open and honest. The customer opens the complaint and the dealer says honestly we do not have a record of it.
#1911 of 3623 Re: Posted yet? [imidazol97]
Mar 01, 2010 (1:45 pm)
Remember when I reported taking my RAV4 with two complaints in and they didn't write my complaints on the work order for some reason??? I was stupid twice, but in future that practice will not be tolerated.
This Mrs. Roberts should have a work, receipt order. Hopefully they made sure complaint written on order. If they didn't - oh no.
Is this Toyota routine practice noit to write complaints on work order??? I don't know?? Anyone else know from their own experience??
#1912 of 3623 Re: Posted yet? [imidazol97]
Mar 01, 2010 (1:52 pm)
True for me on my last visit. This happened to me in the beginning of December, and I mentioned the problem to the service manager when I brought the car in for its routine servicing that weekend. He ignored what I said with a fixed smile. Since there was, really, nothing he could do back then, I let it pass. Did they record anything? it wasn't on the bill of work I got.
#1913 of 3623 Re: How Crisis started [sharonkl]
Mar 01, 2010 (2:26 pm)
Sharon....sad, shocking, disheartening, heartbreaking. No brakes either....just like Mrs Smith's ordeal, only this one ended much more tragically.
THIS....THIS REASON ALONE is why the heat should stay on Toyota. TOYOTA....Fix your damned cars, and fix them right. This could have been prevented if they would have 'fessed up to begin with and, if not cured UA, at least instituted brake over ride to their UA affected models and vehicles (at least for the current recalls, and those which they're trying to pass off as "only" having floormat issues or alleged sticky pedals).