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#1898 of 3623 Re: ARE? Is that a fact...nope... [beachfish2]
Mar 01, 2010 (10:46 am)
ARE? You have proof? No, you don't. You just have your Toyota jihad and your bias is showing again.
The facts ARE. Toyota poorly engineered their gas peddle. That has been recalled and getting a kludge kind of fix. They have several million cars with a throttle controller that can stick due to poor use of materials in design. They have many unexplained cases of UA some of which HAVE been verified by Toyota dealers. The Defective throttle body controller that caused WOT. Plus the Brake issues with their hybrids. The steering with the newly designed Corolla. Is that enough FACTS for this discussion.
No Jihad. I am a Toyota owner with so so satisfaction and no UA to date. I am not thrilled with their DBW throttle on my 2007 Sequoia. Too many pauses and surges. Just a poor design I have learned to live with.
#1899 of 3623 Customers feel the pain and share the cost of Toyota recall
Mar 01, 2010 (11:05 am)
That wait at car dealer can end up costly
That waiting room vigil was a vivid reminder that Toyota has a huge problem beyond the floor mat entrapment and the gas pedal: public relations, especially at the dealership level.
#1900 of 3623 Re: CTS Pedal - Video - put in freezing water & baked in - no apparent effect [sharonkl]
Mar 01, 2010 (11:24 am)
Sharon....interesting video but not really surprising. I don't think many people who have kept up with this little fiasco ever believed this was a "sticky pedal" problem...especially after the Congressional hearings.
No one has come forward with a broken, or sticky pedal. Not Toyota. Not Toyota dealership techs. No one.
The "sticky pedal" fix, as well as the floormat "fix" was simply was the cheapest way to address the ever growing litany of problems related to Toy/Lexus UA. Not the "real" fix (which will finally be addressed with the inevitable reflash of the ECUs and EPROMs, adding brake over ride). That reflash, as stated, is not a fix for UA, it is a viable remedy.
Toyota is still trying to skirt this remedy on cars dating back as far as 2001 to save themselves a huge bill (even larger than the one they've got with the current 8.5M vehicles already recalled.
They're just going to have to recall them all over again.
I don't know how any company of Toyota's former stature could screw this up any worse.
It's like my parents always told me when I was a kid who did something wrong..."you can tell us about it now, and take your punishment. Or, you can try to lie your way out of it, and make it 10 times worse."
Toyota seems hell bent to make it ten times worse on themselves.
#1901 of 3623 Re: CTS Pedal - Video - put in freezing water & baked in - no apparent effe
Mar 01, 2010 (11:34 am)
>No one has come forward with a broken, or sticky pedal.
That is really odd that no one among all the defenders have said that they have a pedal that has been sticking in position and doesn't rebound smoothly. Not one.
If this were a problem needing fixed related to the sudden unintended acceleration wouldn't toyota have some people jumping onto forums saying the sticky pedal was their problem and toyota has served them well with its interest in their safety and has fixed their sticky pedal.
So scratch that as a real problem related to SUA.
Mats as a problem speaks for itself.
I'm looking forward to testimony under oath by toyota scientists and engineers.
#1902 of 3623 Re: Age of the drivers [graphicguy]
Mar 01, 2010 (11:56 am)
I am not sure what will happen. I just realize some obstruction of justice appears to be present by past history, actions, statements, etc. Knowing it exists and being able to introduce solid legal proof to win in court is difficult.
Past history of DHTSA makes it appear the auto manufacturers have been treated with "kid gloves." But now new DHTSA heads over last year> Will they be different?? Manufacturers per their request, have been successful keeping detrimental information out of DHTSA system and from public. Etc.
This link best describes. And is about same as claimed elsewhere on other safety sites, and news releases I have seen. http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=2730
Politics, DHTSA, manufacturer corporations and lobbying and political money, consumers, US legal system, oversight committee investigation, media news pressure w secrets brought out. internet w wide dissemination of info,consumer advocacy groups, US unstable status, etc.
Inaba making a statement he didn't know about $100 million savings claim?? Said he has only been in position for one year. But wait - also confirms he has worked for Toyota for many years(I forget how many). Appeared to be legal protection stance strategy. Did he know?? I feel he did, his name is on memo. If he really has the "memory issues" he claims, he would be fired from his executive position.
Guess we wait, see what happens, and will have to try to analyze all for the truth. What do you predict???
#1903 of 3623 Re: CTS Pedal - Video - put in freezing water & baked in - no apparent effe [imidazol97]
Mar 01, 2010 (12:09 pm)
You mean Toyota hired gun Exponent engineers??? Personally I would question any report from them. This is a defense firm for corporations. Don't forget the PGE chromium pollution involvement & proven misdeeds uncovered here in California.
Pedal Toyota fix recall claim does seem highly questionable!!!
Hope he comes out with another test demonstration.
#1904 of 3623 Re: CTS Pedal - Video - put in freezing water & baked in - no apparent effect [graphicguy]
Mar 01, 2010 (12:20 pm)
No one has come forward with a broken, or sticky pedal.
It is quite possible that Toyota came up with that to cover cases where no floor mats were involved. Like the Avalon in TX that roared into a pond and 4 people died. If they could have gotten the NHTSA to actually sign off on the Shim Scam it would have been a dirt cheap fix. With no one actually buying into the shim, what will be their next final fix for 8.5 million vehicles? With probably more than that being added with either a defective whatever in the DBW system or the CC. Was this the CC problem Lentz let slip during testimony.
TL- THE CONTACT OWNS A 2007 TOYOTA SEQUOIA. THE CONTACT STATED WHILE DRIVING AT 55 MPH AFTER RELEASING THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL THE PEDAL NEVER RELEASED AND INCREASED THE SPEED OF THE VEHICLE TO 90 MPH. THE CONTACT PUT THE VEHICLE INTO NEUTRAL AND SHUT THE VEHICLE OFF. THE CONTACT WAS ABLE TO PULL THE VEHICLE OFF THE ROAD AND CHECK TO SEE IF THE FLOOR MAT CAUSED THE VEHICLE TO ACCELERATE AND IT WASN'T. THE CONTACT RESTART THE VEHICLE WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. THE CONTACT CALLED THE MANUFACTURER AND THEY INFORMED THE CONTACT TO TAKE THE VEHICLE TO A DEALER. THE DEALER PREFORMED A DIAGNOSTIC TEST AND FOUND NOTHING WRONG WITH THE VEHICLE. THE CONTACT FEELS THIS YEAR SHOULD BE ADDED TO RECALL NUMBER 10V17000 CONCERNING THE STICKY PEDAL. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 55,000. JO
As usual no error codes No Trouble Found. How convenient?
#1905 of 3623 Not Corolla but another recall on certain v6's Toyotas
Mar 01, 2010 (12:22 pm)
A bit OT but it does sort of fit in...when it rains it pours! Just an FYI for those with the affected autos! LIKE THE WAY THEY SAY IT IS NOT A RECALL!
UPDATE 1-Toyota to replace oil hose in 933,800 cars
Mon Mar 1, 2010 2:50pm EST
TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION
* V6 Camry, Avalon, Rav4, Lexus vehicles involved
Stocks | Cyclical Consumer Goods
* Fix part of 'Limited service campaign', not recall
* Oil hose may develop a hole, potentially causing leak
DETROIT, March 1 (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) will replace an oil hose in some 933,800 vehicles in the United States due to the risk of a potential leak that if left untreated could damage the engine, the automaker said on Monday.
On some Camry, Avalon, Rav4 and Lexus vehicles equipped with V6 engines, the rubber portion of the engine oil hose may develop a small hole, potentially causing oil leakage and engine failure, Toyota said in a document sent out to U.S. dealers and obtained by Reuters on Monday.
Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons confirmed the company had sent the document on a "limited service campaign" to U.S. dealers. He added the oil hose issue is not a safety issue and the vehicles are not being recalled.
Lyons said a leak would likely be noticed by drivers as an oil puddle beneath a vehicle.
The service campaign covers 2007-2010 model year Camry, 2005-2009 Avalon, 2006-
#1906 of 3623 Re: CTS Pedal - Video - put in freezing water & baked in - no apparent effect [gagrice]
Mar 01, 2010 (1:00 pm)
gagrice....yeah, these reports are just coming in more and more. Floormats. sticky pedals....none of them are the obvious answer. Yet, the one obvious answer, Toyota says has been thoroughly investigated by their massive "invisible" engineering dept and dismissed the claims....even though other experts have tried to point them in the right direction.
How many people think that Exponent is going to come to the same conclusions as Toyota? I think that's a foregone conclusion. Does anyone think that Exponent is employed to do anything but give Toyota the answers they want them to hear? Kind of like having the answers to the final exam a day before the exam takes place.
Sharon.....considering the SEC investigation, I think one could draw some conclusions. That is, they're providing evidence to the DOJ. Why else would the SEC be involved? Then there's the FBI raid on Toyota's suppliers. Who knows what they're looking for? My guess, evidence of either collusion, and/or documents showing Toyota's "book of rules/knowledge" that Biler talked about.
Mar 01, 2010 (12:50 pm)
Back in the congressional hearings, Representative Bobby Rush (D-Ill.) played another tragedy for the committee. It was the case mentioned in my last column, that of the Toyota Avalon that on Dec. 26, 2009, went into a pond and killed four people in Southlake, Tex. Rush apparently felt he should go on record before Congress about this because one of the individuals killed in that tragedy had a relative in his district.
Rush's emotionally charged statement concerns a case that continues to reverberate. Yet it should be noted that Southlake police saw no evidence that the driver attempted to brake before the Avalon entered the water. One eyewitness claimed to have passed the car prior to the accident and been unable to see a driver sitting up.
More troubling is the insinuation in the media by the driver's widow that the car had been taken several times to Texas Toyota of Grapevine for unintended acceleration with no problem found. The family's attorney, Randy Roberts of Tyler, Tex., repeated her allegations this past weekend in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. However, Chris Grady, general manager of Texas Toyota, has already turned over the service records on that Avalon to both Toyota and Mr. Roberts. And those records show that the Avalon had been in their shop once and once only—for nothing more than an oil change. There were no complaints on any malfunction whatsoever .