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#1265 of 3623 Re: Edmunds releases NHTSA complaint data [graphicguy]
Feb 11, 2010 (12:58 pm)
The brake override is more than likely a workaround, albeit one that accomplishes the same thing as correcting the original code (that is, stopping cars suffering UA).
Seems as though Toyota is dammed when they do and dammed when they don't. Logically, if the code was at fault here then we would see a commensurate amount of UA incidents coming out of Japan and other countries. That just isn't the case.
I recall seeing my wife hold down the accelerator pedal of a 1996 Camry, thinking it was the brakes, while in a Mall. Had I not been in the car at the time, I'm convinced she would have blamed the car. Luckily, no damage was done.
The above is probably the only UA scenario in which BO would be useless. Calling it a workaround when it addresses so many possible causes of UA is just ludicrous.
#1266 of 3623 Re: Edmunds releases NHTSA complaint data [millwood0]
Feb 11, 2010 (12:58 pm)
millwood, well if the code wasn't glitchy there would be no reason for Toyota to try and fix it (as with the video posted earlier of the Toyota dealer installing new code into the ECU). Nor would Toyota redo the code for the upcoming Avalon.
Can I prove it? Nope. I doubt Toyota will let anyone into their computer labs outside the company to find out, either. All fingers seem to be pointing in that direction, though.
#1268 of 3623 Re: Edmunds releases NHTSA complaint data [oparr]
Feb 11, 2010 (1:01 pm)
oparr, if it was everone else's code that was glitchy, too....then every manufacturer using DBW would be reporting so many accidents based on UA. This is something that seems unique to Toyota, and their coding.
#1269 of 3623 Re: Lawyers says Toyota accelerator defect could have killed 3 in 2006 crash [lhc67]
Feb 11, 2010 (1:04 pm)
;hc....I see Erin Brokavich on the TV every night pushing some sort of tort law firm for something. I don't run out and call the 800 number. Seems as if every day, there's some sort of lawfirm looking for people who took this or that drug, trying to get them to join some sort of lawsuit. Again, anyone can sue, for any reason. Being successful at it is a different animal.
Understand that these type of lawsuits mostly are levied on a contingency basis. Either they win the case, or they don't get any money......not even reimbursement for their expenses.
#1270 of 3623 Re: Edmunds releases NHTSA complaint data [graphicguy]
Feb 11, 2010 (1:12 pm)
"well if the code wasn't glitchy there would be no reason for Toyota to try and fix it"
there could be plenty of reasons for manufacturers to reflash the computers: to build in new redundancy, to build more redundancy, to add features, refine behaviors, etc.
the fact that we are changing our ways of doing things (reprogramming a computer for example) doesn't necessarily mean the old ways of doing things are wrong.
"Can I prove it? Nope."
well, maybe we should present our assertions / proclamation accordingly.
#1271 of 3623 Re: Lawyers says Toyota accelerator defect could have killed 3 in 2006 crash [graphicguy]
Feb 11, 2010 (1:13 pm)
"not even reimbursement for their expenses. "
that doesn't mean the cost to the businesses is not born by their customers.
#1272 of 3623 Re: Edmunds releases NHTSA complaint data [millwood0]
Feb 11, 2010 (1:23 pm)
>it is OK to speculate, as long as you lay it out and let people know that it is nothing but pure speculation
It's okay to try to beat down a negative about the product if you have proof the code is perfectly correct. Do you? Otherwise that is speculation that there is NO problem..
Otherwise, we can look at the unexplained acceleration events from the past 8 years and ascribe a few of them to floor mats and a few to pedals that are sticky which might apply more in low speed maneuvering such as parking, otherwise there are a whole bunch of incidents that are happening because of "something." That something appears to be the powertrain control unit or the code or something. It certainly isn't a flat tire causing the problems; it's something to do with the control systems.
#1274 of 3623 Re: Edmunds releases NHTSA complaint data [graphicguy]
Feb 11, 2010 (1:46 pm)
This is something that seems unique to Toyota, and their coding.
If it is unique to Toyota (and we all know it isn't) then it would be unique to Toyota USA. Even if so, why does it have to be coding....It could be the position feedback sensor used in the Throttle servo system....Several things can cause a runaway servo system. People have latched on to ECU coding because that's just about all they understand when computers are at the heart of complex operations.