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#1 of 3623 Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall
by Karen@Edmunds HOST
Jan 27, 2010 (6:46 am)
This is the place to talk about the recent Toyota recalls and how it's affecting the manufacturer and consumers.
Vehicles in recall include:
certain 2007-10 Camrys
#2 of 3623 Re: Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall [KarenS]
Jan 27, 2010 (7:18 am)
That should make my 2007 Sequoia worth more. Last of the well built Sequoias.
Then I bought the 07 at the end of the model run, because it is better looking and had all the bugs worked out. Looks like Toyota will need to burn a little OT getting this debacle under control.
Has any auto maker ever done this with so many models?
#3 of 3623 unprecedented / maybe worst eng/process failure in automotive histo
Jan 27, 2010 (7:35 am)
gagrice, Foxnews reports that this action by toyota is indeed unprecedented (stopping sales of so many models & so many manufacturing lines).
Also i don't think there has been a problem with so much *complexity* in automotive history - so many "corner-case conditions" combining to trigger catastrophe.
As vehicles continue to get more complex, we can expect further "flaws" like this, independent of manufacturer - unless/until engineering processes & maybe field-testing & analyzing field-test results are made a lot more rigorous/comprehensive across the board.
#4 of 3623 Re: unprecedented / maybe worst eng/process failure in automotive histo [elias]
Jan 27, 2010 (7:40 am)
The more complex the code, the more chance for a bug to slip in.
Jan 27, 2010 (7:40 am)
I didn't see anything about Lexus - is it simply because they didn't get that far yet in their evaluation (Toyota)
I also find it confusing that this uproar really lit up when the police officer and family was killed in San Diego in a Lexus brand, not Toyota, but yet no mention????
#6 of 3623 Japanese manufactured cars too?
Jan 27, 2010 (7:46 am)
We leased a 2010 Rav4 Limited last week at Prestige Toyota in NJ. I spoke with the sales manager today, he said that our vehicle was manufactured in Japan (a "J" in the VIN number) and that it was not effected by this recall. Is that true? I wanted confirmation from Toyota, but their "Customer Experience" number is jammed and they are not accepting calls at this time. Any Toyota experts out there to confirm?
#7 of 3623 Re: No Lexus? [ponderpoint]
Jan 27, 2010 (7:48 am)
The final nail in the coffin was the fellow that drove his Toyota into a dealership with WOT and no floor mat or other obstruction. That got documented by main stream news and Toyota could no longer cover up the fact that they knew as far back as 2008 that their DBW system had some flaws. I would expect Lexus to be included in this most recent recall. Though the case in San Diego is more likely the floor mat problem.
#8 of 3623 Funny the Lexus ES...
Jan 27, 2010 (7:58 am)
...isn't on that list as it's essentially a super-deluxe Camry.
#10 of 3623 Only certain suppliers of Toyota gas pedals effected
Jan 27, 2010 (9:04 am)
Are the 2010 XLE models also effected?
Toyota has two US suppliers for gas pedals, Denso and CTS. Denso pedals have been determined to be fine. The CTS pedals have a small error in design, but not critical. Toyota has determined that a small shim will cure any possibility of a CTS pedal sticking. It has sent the engineering work to NHTSA and if approved they can build 200,000 shims per day. This situation does not call for hysteria, as only a handful of accidents have happened on these vehicles in spite of billions of miles of driving.