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#1134 of 1305 Re: 2012 Camaro ZL1 [steve_]
May 27, 2012 (9:29 am)
Thanks..already the reply, "Yeah, but, but....wait 'til the Shelby comes out...it'll be better and probably won't have the gas-guzzler tax."
We'll see, but I have a hard time believing over 600 hp won't get the gas-guzzler tax. I could be wrong.
Note to that poster: The ZL-1 is out now. The Shelby you're talking about is not.
#1135 of 1305 Re: 2012 Camaro ZL1 [uplanderguy]
May 27, 2012 (9:33 am)
I never use a sunroof- I'll bet that we haven't opened the sunroof on my wife's SUV a dozen times in the seven years we've owned it. And on the BMW I referred to, the sunroof adds nearly 70 lbs to the highest point on the car. As a race car fabricator once told me, "it has the same practical effect as bolting a car battery to the roof."
#1136 of 1305 Re: 2012 Camaro ZL1 [uplanderguy]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
May 27, 2012 (9:48 am)
Some pundit somewhere (maybe my link?) chided the (current?) GT as being a bit rough and unrefined.
But what do you want if you're going 200 mph?
All in all, I'd rather have a Volt.
#1137 of 1305 Re: 2012 Camaro ZL1 [steve_]
May 27, 2012 (1:30 pm)
In all actuality, I'd be more interested in the '14 Impala.
That said, it's refreshing to read such positive news when others only can say that GM is behind everybody else...and continue to post on a GM forum.
#1139 of 1305 Re: Coming to a Cadillac dealer near you [imidazol97]
Jul 28, 2012 (2:00 pm)
Nice! Maybe I can get a little sister for my DTS Performance?
#1140 of 1305 USA Today: Bulls-eye
Jul 29, 2012 (7:56 am)
talks about the ATS.
The manual transmission that felt too stiff and balky on regular roads became just-so in slap-it-hard track driving. And the automatic in the V-6, in "sport" mode, recognized when you approached a corner and downshifted to let a lower gear help you scoot through. And it held the gear all the way through the corner, resisting an automatic's normal urge to upshift too soon.
•Dynamics. Defined here as how the car moves when and where it should, and doesn't when and where it shouldn't. All good.
Steering's nicely centered, responsive. Suspension is firm, but not harsh. Optional FE3 magnetic suspension is compliant and firms up fast when the road demands. Brakes are wonderfully free of the spongy-pedal feel, and they seem to haul the car down promptly from high speed.
•No start-stop. Applause. Nobody's done it right yet. It saves fuel by killing the engine when it needn't run, such as at long stoplights. But restarts are jerky and clunky in most vehicles, including the BMW 3 Series that is ATS' rival.
ATS is a delight, and its unique platform will migrate across the ocean to GM's troubled Opel in Germany, and perhaps into Chevrolet or Buick sedans.
About the Cadillac ATS
•What? New-from-scratch small Cadillac four-door sedan meant to challenge BMW 3 Series. Available with one of two new four-cylinder engines or a V-6. Rear-wheel drive (RWD) or all-wheel drive (AWD).
•When? On sale late this summer.
•Where? Made at Lansing, Mich.
•How much? $33,990 to about $55,000, with shipping.
•What makes it go? Base: 2.5-liter four-cylinder rated 202 horsepower at 6,300 rpm, 191 pounds-feet of torque at 4,400 rpm.
Optional: 2-liter turbocharged four rated 272 hp at 5,500 rpm, 260 lbs.-ft. at 1,700 rpm.
Optional: 3.6-liter V-6 rated 321 hp at 6,800 rpm, 275 lbs.-ft. at 4,800 rpm.
Six-speed manual or automatic transmission.
•How big? Exterior's within half an inch of a BMW 3 Series sedan every which way. ATS is 182.8 inches long, 71.1 in. wide, 55.9 in. tall on a 109.3-in. wheelbase. Weighs 3,315 to 3,629 lbs. Passenger space: 90.9 cubic feet; trunk, 10.2 cu. ft.
Tows up to 1,000 lbs.
Turning circle diameter: 36.4 to 38.1 ft., depending on model and tires.
•How thirsty? Government has rated only the base, 2.5-liter RWD model: 22 mpg city, 33 highway, 26 in city/highway mix.
GM 2-liter RWD to be about 22/32/26; V-6 RWD, 19/28/23. AWD will be 1 or 2 mpg less.
2.5-liter automatic test car registered 28.5 mpg (3.51 gallons per 100 miles) on hilly, rural two-lane roads with occasional hard acceleration and use of manual-shift mode in the automatic.
2-liter turbo manual test car registered 23.2 mpg (4.31 gal./100 mi.) on hilly, two-lane back roads.
All engines burn regular; Cadillac recommends but doesn't require premium for 2-liter turbo four. Tank holds 16 gallons.
#1141 of 1305 Re: Coming to a Cadillac dealer near you [lemko]
Jul 29, 2012 (7:57 am)
>I can get a little sister for
Maybe a big brother that knows karate.
#1142 of 1305 the one that got away - almost
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Aug 15, 2012 (5:47 pm)
"A pair of Cadillac Fleetwood V-16s that were built from drawings that date back to the Great Depression will be on display at the 2012 Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance." (Inside Line)
#1143 of 1305 Re: the one that got away - almost [steve_]
Aug 16, 2012 (4:47 am)
Good God! That is BEAUTIFUL!!! There's an excellent article in the current issue of Collectible Automobile about the 1936-38 Cadillac Series 60. One of the all-time great designs - the 1938 Cadillac Sixty Special was design by the great Bill Mitchell when he was only 24! The Sixty Special ensured Cadillac's future and that of Bill Mitchell at GM.