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#21 of 30 Re: That Porsch V-8 [martian]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Feb 01, 2010 (9:25 am)
No the Porsche 928 engine is damn near indestructible unless you drain the oil out of it. Its "weak link" is the enormously complex timing belt, which requires periodic changing, under pain of death. Aspects of the engine design still live on in the Cayenne I think.
Great engine, very powerful. The last iteration of the 928, the GTS, is still a seriously potent car. 928s are still raced regularly by club members.
Porsche never really made a "bad" engine ala Vega, but the 75-77 2.7 liter air cooled flat 6 is pretty close to "bad", as they magnesium engine cases would pull studs.
928s have their goofy qualities that would do GM proud---having the entire dashboard tilt WITH the steering wheel was pretty crazy, for one.
Like a 924 or 944, they are maintenance INTENSIVE. If you don't do the periodic and pricey maintenance, may god have mercy on your soul.
#22 of 30 Re: That Porsch V-8 [hpmctorque]
Feb 01, 2010 (9:42 am)
The Vega was liquid cooled - are you thinking of the Corvair, maybe?
#23 of 30 Re: it's an '87 base 5-speed.... [fintail]
Feb 01, 2010 (11:51 am)
not really, Fin....my mom did buy the 944 new during our senior year in high school, but that was our 'family car' (replaced, sort of, a Cressida, which she kept after that for about a year), then it occurred to her that insuring twin teen boys on a 944 was a weeee-bit expensive (duh), hence I kinda put a gun to her head then my brother and I got the '77 Caprice. She's intelligent, I never said 'smart'. The 300E was intended to replace the 944 (she bought it used in '91 or '92) but kept the 944. I don't get it, either.
#24 of 30 Re: it's an '87 base 5-speed.... [ghulet]
Feb 01, 2010 (12:42 pm)
Still cooler than the period motors my parents chose. Ciera and Blazer replaced with Taurus and Exploder. Woo hoo!
#25 of 30 Re: That Porsch V-8 [texases]
Feb 01, 2010 (4:41 pm)
Whoops, of course (dope slap!!).
#26 of 30 Re: That Porsch V-8 [Mr_Shiftright]
Mar 29, 2010 (4:13 pm)
The 2.7 liter flat six only gives problems in hot climates, that's when the different expansion rates of bolt and block materials becomes a problem. If you live in New England this won't be a problem.
Changing the timing belt regularly on the 944 engine is crucial. If the belt snaps the valves will hit the pistons. This doesn't occur on the 924 engine, which isn't the most cultured 4 cylinder around, but it's tough and back in the day supercharger and turbo kits (BAE aftermarket kit) were fitted.
Oct 30, 2011 (6:37 pm)
How this thread can be sent in the wrong direction. In all actuality, the 924, especially those with the automatic, are hysterically reliable cars. Slow, somewhat boring, unless you like reliability, but if you understand volkwagens and porsches, especially as much as I do, you realize that they have inherent quirks that are to be expected, but taken care of properly, they are very inexpensive to keep, own and maintain.
Its like this, the car has the audi 4 cylinder 1.8 block punched out to 2.0. The engine is practically bulletproof and linear. Uses the vw bus head, the timing belt, water pump and alternator are all easily accessible and all able to be changed on the road if need be. The audi auto transmission is fantastic, since it is out of the much heavier and beefier audi 5000 which is capable of handling 400 plus horsepower without any mods. The front suspension uses the vw rabbit lower control arms and beetle shocks ( anyone ever price a vw rabbit control arm? About 20 bucks!) bushings and shocks and brakes are all cheap and easy, making the 924 the most economical porsche to maintain that was ever made.
Keep this in mind, you don't have to buy porsche parts for the 924, when german-made vw parts are the same thing. Dont listen to the naysayers and the "experts" who claim the 944 to be far superior. They are more expensive, yes, faster, yes, more expensive to maintain, yes. But really, more economical? Noooooooooo the 924 kicks butt for reliable, easygoing and economical. Plus the simple styling is a bit more unique to look at.
#28 of 30 Re: Re 924 [erk187]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 31, 2011 (10:42 am)
Well then okay, as reliable as an engine from an 1980s era VW transporter, with a transmission as reliable as an Audi 5000. Fair enough.
The 924 is a car that makes no sense to me at all. If you want something economical, why buy a car with such expensive parts and zero investment potential?
The 944 is so superior in every respect (and quite reliable, too with proper care), that in 99% of all cases, if you buy a cheap 924, you will soon end up having put enough money into it to have bought yourself a clean, good running 944 anyway.
All I see in a 924 is "no payback" for swimming against the tide of public opinion.
Of course, I'm taking the point of view as consumer advocate, not car enthusiast. What I might do in a purchase is not what I'd advise a newbie to do.
I'm jes' sayin' that a beat-up $600 Porsche 924 is not a good choice for a beginner.
#29 of 30 Re: Re 924 [Mr_Shiftright]
Nov 01, 2011 (12:15 am)
Your logic makes perfect sense to me, in terms of the 924 vs. the 944. However, how many clean, good running 944s are left, at a price that makes sense? What I'm really asking is, for what you'd pay for a clean, good running 944, aren't there a number of much better newer model choices? Will even a 944 become a classic that justifies the cost of ownership? Aren't 944s just nice, but hardly fabulous - and very expensive to own - old cars too, albeit better than the 924s?
If one wants a front engine, RWD sports car, limiting the search to Porsches strikes me as tunnel vision.
#30 of 30 Re: Re 924 [hpmctorque]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Nov 01, 2011 (6:35 am)
Well I'd venture to say that a well-sorted out 944 turbo is, in fact, a fabulous car, and in the right hands, on the right race track, would give a modern 911 fits. The 944 is such a well-balanced car, and the handling is absolutely top notch, even by modern standards.
Point taken on old, non-turbo, early 944 beaters. Let them go for parts. But a show quality 944 turbo coupe could crack $20K, whereas the same 924 would be lucky to bring you $7000 bucks-- To say nothing of the 944 demolishing the 924 in any type of race.
I suppose one could gain a teensy bit of prestige from owning a 924, among the unknowing few. And you know, the 914 was spurned for decades and finally has won some respect from sports car lovers, so who knows? Maybe someday a 924 turbo would be worth decent money. Personally I find it a rough car with no outstanding attributes to interest me.