Last post on Jan 31, 2010 at 11:48 AM
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General Toyota Recall Questions/Comments: Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall
#420 of 447 Toyota's policy to never acknowledge problems publicly unless enforced
Jan 30, 2010 (5:30 pm)
I want to believe in Toyota sincerity but we all know they would never make this public on their own. I own 2 Toyota's myself 2009 Camry and 2008 Highlander. Camry is part of gas pedal recall I patiently waiting for a fix while driving potentially unsafe car. Toyota's policy over the years turned out to be a complete cover up and up front lies. Then bigger they grew then more they preferred to ignore customer's complains and their own design flaws. I'm sure everybody remember V6 sludge issue that took years for Toyota to admit. Toyota knew about sudden acceleration for years but preferred to keep it quiet and didn't attempt to find solution on their own. Now they are struggling to come up with a resolution within short time frame and worst part that gas pedal replacement most likely will not cure sudden acceleration in 100% of cases since it is a possible combination of multiple factors such as a gas pedal , engine sensors and controls, software that manages the engine, throttle body electrical drive and sensors. Replacing only the pedal will make Toyota look like they found 100% cure and get a permission from NHTSA to resume car sales. There is another problem brewing with Toyota's V6 engines - faulty oil line that can rapture and cause a fire but Toyota's not in hurry to take any action before people get killed or injured. Read more here http://sites.google.com/site/toyotav6oillinescandal/
#421 of 447 Re: Toyota's policy to never acknowledge problems publicly unless enforced [steveayz]
Jan 30, 2010 (5:37 pm)
"we all know they would never make this public on their own."
how do you know they wouldn't?
how do you know that I know that they wouldn't?
how do you know that others know that they wouldn't?
if not, why did you say that we all know that they wouldn't?
#422 of 447 Re: Toyota's policy to never acknowledge problems publicly unless enforced [millwood0]
Jan 30, 2010 (5:45 pm)
First, sudden acceleration instances didn't surface yesterday and had happened with various Toyota models long before. If you look at Toyota previous practices (sludge) and current (V6 oil line) you might notice that Toyota is not taking responsibility for own design flaws without much pressure.
#423 of 447 Camry
Jan 30, 2010 (5:53 pm)
Hey folks, again this discussion is about the Camry. Please go to the link at the top of the page for general Toyota discussion.
#426 of 447 Re: Toyota's policy to never acknowledge problems publicly unless enforced [millwood0]
Jan 30, 2010 (8:24 pm)
Good ones, keep them coming!
I see I really didn't miss much the last few days (just catching up). I agree with isellhonda's take on this.
#427 of 447 Re: Toyota CEO: “I am deeply sorry” [isellhondas]
Jan 30, 2010 (9:10 pm)
Yes, bad enough to have shot yourself in one foot, but both...??!!
#428 of 447 Re: Toyota's policy to never acknowledge problems publicly unless enforced [steveayz]
Jan 31, 2010 (5:39 am)
"First, sudden acceleration instances didn't surface yesterday and had happened with various Toyota models long before."
any anomaly can be attributed to three factors: the car, the environment, or the driver. With their large sales number, it is bound to happen that some Toyota vehicles will end up be driven by stupid drivers in dangerous environment. so the fact that "sudden acceleration" existed with Toyota vehicles shouldn't be surprising to any intelligent person - think the sudden acceleration stories on Audi.
it is difficult to establish what truly happened in those incidents, as you can see how difficult it is to establish with the current crop of sudden acceleration stories:
1. the often quoted stories of that 911 call happened with a Lexus that is not under this recall.
2. no one could establish what those drivers were doing when their vehicles suddenly accelerated.
3. no one could establish why "sticky" pedals can cause acceleration.
4. no one could establish why they vehicles couldn't be stop'd via the brake.
5. no one could establish exactly how many vehicles suffer from this problem.
so far, we have lots of speculations and concerns and hysteria and sensationalized stories for people with varied motives. Rather than laying your blame on anybody else, we are better served to just sit tight, learn to drive safely, and let's the chips fall where they ought to.
#429 of 447 Re: Toyota's policy to never acknowledge problems publicly unless enforced [millwood0]
Jan 31, 2010 (6:10 am)
end of the day, no amount of engineering can stop stupid and incompetent drivers from getting involved in an accident.
to me, the question should be what WE the driving public can do about those accidents. everyone of those guys that couldn't stop their vehicles from accelerating should have their licenses suspended immediately.
But then, we have so many of those incompetent drivers / voters such a measure would never pass.