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General Toyota Recall Questions/Comments: Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall
#221 of 447 Re: Toyota stops selling the Camry[kdhspyder] [revit] [imidazol97]
Jan 26, 2010 (8:11 pm)
Just because some people "implicate" or "feel" that they know what the problem is, doesn't make it so.
Earlier you said, "I think it's reprehensible that there have been known problems since 2008 with this at least this one factor being admitted only now"
Ok, suppose you were the chairman and CEO of Imidazol Motors. Every day, you hear of complaints involving your vehicles, from dealers, through NHTSA, or on web forums like these. How do you separate the wheat from the chaff? Seems like a lot of time would have to be expended to find out where the real problems are.
#222 of 447 Re: Toyota - Japan vs. MIA [ponderpoint]
Jan 26, 2010 (8:14 pm)
And don't forget the much more recent flap over some of their SUVs and a certain tiremaker. But now, they're feted as the only "honorable" American auto company because they didn't take bailout money!
#223 of 447 Re: Toyota stops selling the Camry[kdhspyder] [revit] [imidazol97] [210delray]
Jan 26, 2010 (8:18 pm)
I wonder how long it will be before Toyota restarts production on the Camry and on all the other vehicles that they stopped production on?
#224 of 447 Re: Toyota stops selling the Camry[kdhspyder] [revit] [imidazol97]
Jan 26, 2010 (8:22 pm)
"A few people there implicate the cruise control in their specific incidents"
Nothing new - I have an Acura TL that doesn't like its cruise control shut off by clutch pedal, the engine goes crazy with high rpm. According to the owners manual, depressing the clutch is suppose to cancel it.... It doesn't. If I want to cancel the set speed, I have to depress the brake pedal firmly or shut it off with the master switch on the steering wheel.
Is the cruise control a "smoking gun" in the Toyota incidents? This is the first time I've heard it mentioned......
BTW, the cruise control in the Acura is without any doubt, the worst cruise control I've ever had in any car. It's jumpy, erratic and can't make up its mind going down a slight grade on the interstate but I guess that's another forum......
#225 of 447 Re: Toyota - Japan vs. MIA [ponderpoint]
Jan 26, 2010 (8:36 pm)
Um.....Duh...I somehow don't remember now, Um, My memory doesn't serve me correct.... C'mon, now, Please try to play copacetic... Thanks anyway.
Wanna talk about Ponies ? How about the "Pony" cruise control switch fires that included at least 10 fatalities? THOSE included garage and house fires..... How about the Tire recall that was linked to at least 46 fatalities.
What? Tally Ho ! to all the NHTSA GM truck Chevy 1500 series with "premature wear in clutch master cylinders push rod ends that attaches to clutch pedal pins" that gave way and atttibuted to over 40 fatalities.
And what about " 18 fires in Chrysler Grand Cherokees 1993-1998 near the steering column after consumers clasimed the vehicles were NOT in park despite ther gearshift being in "park". ?? 76,000 vehicles recalled CAUSING the fuel valve to DETATCH from tank upon REAR impact and asllowing fuel to LEAK OUT UPON IMPACT!!???? DO we forget those INSTANCES ????
#226 of 447 Re: toyota unintended acceleration [millwood0]
Jan 26, 2010 (9:19 pm)
my comprehension level is not a subject for this forum, but you can request a new "elias comprehension" forum if you think it would vehicularly interesting.
For quite a while I've been yammering about these killer Toyotas and how they apparently resulted from the worst engineering failure in automotive history, and the drivers were not at fault.
Today it appears that Toyota agrees with me, since they've taken what is perhaps an unprecedented step in recent history (?): halting many production lines due to problem(s) that have been at least partially known for almost a year (?) , and which have yet to be resolved!
By some measures the problem(s) seem to be getting *worse* - multiplying?
It's as if murphy's law has struck with a vengeance not seen before. What can go wrong *next* to expose/trigger the fatal toyota flaws? It just keeps getting worse.
#227 of 447 Re: Toyota stops selling the Camry[kdhspyder] [revit] [imidazol97] [210delray] [gtgtcobra]
Jan 26, 2010 (9:31 pm)
My guesstimate is mid-February. They will have a solution much sooner, but getting it implemented will take 2 weeks minimum.
One month would be a killer, but it could go that long...........
#228 of 447 Toyota design flaws & faith
Jan 26, 2010 (9:34 pm)
supragirl, you are new to edmunds and make the same fangirl post in multiple forums on your first day? You say the toyota recall is merelyprecautionary?
But many toyota customers are dead due to what appear to be the biggest engineering/process flaws in automotive history.
You advise us to have "faith"? How can faith possibly be relevant to any aspect of this discussion except for us to hope that the dead Toyota customers had eternal-faith before their cars killed them?
The issue/problem here appears to be engineering and marketing. Engineers will fix the problem. Marketeers will explain how the cars are safe now. Service departments will fix existing cars. Customers will buy more.
Until Toyota at least *claims* to have the problem(s) fixed and fixes YOUR Toyota, I recommend that you PARK your Toyota and rent a GM.
#229 of 447 Re: Toyota stops selling the Camry[kdhspyder] [revit] [imidazol97] [210delray] [gtgtcobra] [dodgeman07]
Jan 26, 2010 (9:46 pm)
"one month would be a killer".....???? Such a neurotic statement could ONLY come from someone with the screen name "Dodgeman". No underlying hyprocrisis, right ??? JUST making sure...... Get real people !!!! FLY AWAY CARS!!!!! Do you people have any idea how REDECULIOUS this is !!!! It is a clear manipulation of the media and other RIVALRY car comnpanies to circumvent potential sales.....ALL you WELL educated tax paying citizens have to do is to google "unintended gas pedal accelerators" and you will see a SLEW OF MANUFACTURERES pull up !!!!! Yes, the most recent, Toyota because of the MEDIA Publicity, but there are RECOUNTS of BMW< Pontiac, Honda, Dodge, and EVERY other you can think of !!! It;s just that Toyota is in the Spotlight because of their PERFECTION!!! It's like the time the squeaky clean Mom and Pop general store who has been in business 50 yrs has a few sightings of a rat, and it's all over.....C'mon..people....
#230 of 447 Re: Toyota design flaws & faith [elias]
Jan 26, 2010 (9:55 pm)
Eluas, I am NOT NEW to Edmunds, but have been watching from afar, as many wise people do before unleashing. Look at my SIGN on date, E. First day ? Stop merely processing information and re typing it " Biggest engineering prob in histiory" ANyone can do that, E!! Tell us something that you really feel. We have a newspaper for the type of info you are relaying.
Let's face it, people. MANY things have happened in recent history that we dont know the answer to....many things we are MAD about...WAR, Murders, Cars. People die, planes crash, let's not be so FAST to point the finger at Toyota when SO MANY OF THE SAME ACCOUNTS and stories have been told, but not PUBLICIZED about car manufacturers. :Lets be fair, to the deceased, to the living, and the rest of us......