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Subaru Outback, Sedan, Wagon
#76 of 145 Re: Steering Wheel Vibration? [priggly]
Oct 25, 2010 (10:21 am)
Overall, I am very happy with the Forester. Compared to the last Outback I owned (a 2008 2.5i), it has more passenger room (but a shorter cargo area). Since we have two young children and take relatively frequent long trips (some as long as 4000-5000 miles one way!), passenger comfort was paramount.
All 2010 models (four) in which I have ridden have all had door rattles (left and right front doors), but they were easily fixed on my car with one visit to the dealer. The car is perfectly quiet (in terms of rattles) aside from that. There is very little wind noise at speed, even less with the sunshade closed on the massive moon roof. I love the moon roof, though, so that shade is rarely closed!
I am not a good source of info on the radio. I think it sounds great, but then I have never owned any cars with "premium" systems in them and have never owned a new car that was not a Subaru. I think it sounds nice, but that may also be a result of the cabin being so quiet. I don't find myself turning up the volume on the stereo at highway speeds unlike any other car I have, such as my Escort, where I will double the volume at speed versus being stopped. When I'm driving, I don't really care about having a sound system with perfect fidelity because the stereo is just a peripheral - I'm in the car to drive.
Unlike Dave, I have the normally aspirated engine mated to a manual transmission. I think the engine power is fine, and it is quite peppy when I ask it to be. I haul and/or pull pretty decent loads with it now and again, and it does an admirable job for such a little car. hauled about 1500# (maybe more) 1100 miles last summer on my annual fishing trip, and I was able to run it at speed the whole way, hills/mountains and all. Of course, it only averaged 17.5 mpg on that trip, but I was okay with that given I had stuff on top and was pulling a trailer at 60-70 mph.
The Subaru MT is okay. I don't mind the 4-speed AT either but prefer a manual in general. I really liked the locking rear differential on the previous Outbacks (great for the fun factor), but the VSC works well on the Forester. In terms of go-ability, this one is definitely the most capable. I think the new Outback has the same system on it now, though, so that's a non-issue comparing new to new.
I run synthetic oil in it on extended drain intervals, and the engine is whisper quiet and smooth. I am not familiar with the "exhaust rap" Dave mentioned. I mean, I can *hear* the exhaust/engine inside the car, but I think I would feel uncomfortable (disconnected) in a car where I couldn't.
I would call the ride "firm." It is not a cushy sedan ride, but not uncomfortable at all. I like it.
#77 of 145 Re: Steering Wheel Vibration? [xwesx]
Oct 25, 2010 (12:23 pm)
That was a very good, down-to-earth review of the Forester. Thanks.
#78 of 145 Re: Steering Wheel Vibration? [m6user]
Oct 25, 2010 (8:58 pm)
I am a Car Salesman, just a disclaimer. I have the privilege of selling subaru I did have one customer complain of a vibration in the rear of the vehicle I listened to it with him and then had my Service manager listen to it, I took the customer to lunch while my service manager put the car up on the racks.
He concluded that it was just a slight vibration that would not affect performance, the customer took the vehicle on a trip and returned after the problem persisted. I met with my service manager about how to fix it, and he let me know he started a file with Subaru.
About a week later I see my customer driving at the dealership and somehow the service department was able to minimize the effect. Sorry I don't know how he did it, but good news is there is a fix.
#79 of 145 Re: Steering Wheel Vibration? [discobison]
Oct 26, 2010 (12:47 am)
Minimizing the effect is not fixing it!
It is good that your service manager is really trying to help your customer.
#80 of 145 Re: 2010 Outback steering wheel shaking and hesitation issues? [xwesx]
Oct 28, 2010 (7:46 am)
Fortunately, I do not own a 2010/2011 Outback or Legacy, thanks to the various posts on Edmunds.com. As to the steering/shaking problem, I have been telling our local Subaru service manager that I believe the defect in these cars has been built in at the factory and that no solution, fix, etc., in the field is ever going to make it right. The real solution is to take each defective vehicle and send it back to Lafayette. Immediately. Of course, Subaru cannot afford to do that so they have fiddled around for over a year with a so-called fix that doesn't seem to work. I prefer to call it a "patch. I told our service manager that, in simple terms, "A defective part plus a patch doth not make a good part." He adamantly disagrees. Of course.
Thanks to all who have posted their experiences on this problem. I am sure that you have saved many potential buyers a lot of money and agony.
#81 of 145 What % of 2011 outbacks have this steering shimmy problem?
Nov 12, 2010 (5:16 pm)
I'm thinking of buying a 2011 2.5 limited outback.
AWD is a must for me, and it seems to be better value than the Volvo XC70, Audi A4.
Obviously I'm very concerned about the steering shimmy issue.
I read Outback sales are still very strong for 2010 despite this.
Would love to get info on % of cars by build date having this problem.
Does anyone have an idea about that?
#82 of 145 Re: What % of 2011 outbacks have this steering shimmy problem? [bergkamp11]
Nov 12, 2010 (8:50 pm)
No one really seems to know the actual number of cars affected. I too was worried about purchasing one with a steering shake, but like you mentioned, it was hard not to ignore the high amount of sales. Every time I looked at one on the lot, it was gone with a week or two. I also recognized that things on the web can get blown out of proportion a bit. To this day, I have not seen a report on the steering shake outside of the blogs. I believe the steering shake is a real issue, but I think many cars have a potential for problems of some sort or another.
After much deliberation, I decided that I would thoroughly test drive an Outback and if it did not shake, I would take it home. And thats what I did, and I have not looked back. Some people have reported that their Outback developed the shakes later on, but again, I decided I would accept that chance.
Like many other people, I love this car and I am glad that I was not scared away from it.
Best of luck to you and your decision.
#83 of 145 Re: What % of 2011 outbacks have this steering shimmy problem? [thor14]
Nov 13, 2010 (7:54 am)
Thanks for the reply. It's hard to get an idea of the statistics. 1%, 5%, 10% ? Obviously for anyone affected the odds don't matter anymore and I have a lot of sympathy.
Subaru claims 66,384 outback sales for 2010 through September, which is on pace for approx 90,000 cars in 2010.
Suppose say 500 cars have/develop the problem? (total guess from amount of forum posts. Please correct me if this is a bad estimate).
That would be just over 0.5%.
I guess I'm weighing that against dropping another $10,000+ for an audi a4.
#84 of 145 Re: 2010 Outback steering wheel shaking and hesitation issues? [xwesx]
Nov 14, 2010 (11:55 am)
I just purchased my Subaru Outback 1779 miles ago. I have recently become MORE aware of the shaking in the steering wheel at speeds at and above 65 MPH. It almost feels as though the tires or the wheels are out of round. I have the 17" alloys on this vehicle. It ( the vibration ) really comes alive at 70 to 80 where the steering wheel really vibrates a lot. I also have noticed that a vibration or "Pulse" is evident at slower, driveway speed while just slightly turning the wheel in either direction, which makes me think it is in the Rack Assembly or Power Steering pump. I am wondering also if this "vibration" is the cause of the small plastic "pins" that hold the sound deadening material to the hood disappearing as I have so far lost 5 of them in the first 1000 miles. I had to pay for these myself as the Dealer said I must be slamming the hood down too hard. Right. I now own a Vehicle that shakes apart on itself? Also have a clear coat paint peeling going on but that's a different problem. I have seen no bulletin for this from Subaru and my dealer says they can't feel it at all when they test drive it They can't feel it but they only go on city streets. I told them to take it home and drive the Interstate or I'll take 'em for a ride. Other than the annoying shaking at speeds I love the thing, although I am also just beginning to notice a "LAG" when accelerating from a dead stop when it is just warmed up. Seems to bog down a bit then go like normal.
Kinda wish I had kept my Volvo wagon I traded in on it. It was SO smooth and peppy but the Warranty was almost out so...there ya go!
#85 of 145 Re: What % of 2011 outbacks have this steering shimmy problem? [thor14]
Nov 15, 2010 (2:39 am)
It is simply not possible to know presently how many of these shakers there are but the number is appreciable.
If it were me, I would walk and consider the Forester or new Jeep GC, both great cars.
The new OB is for the gambler. I've heard it's Kenny Rogers' favorite vehicle!!! (Tongue-in-cheek!)