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You are in the Subaru Legacy & Outback
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Subaru Outback, Sedan, Wagon
#106 of 145 Re: walking away [wphill]
Dec 28, 2010 (8:24 am)
Have her try a 2011 Forester XT.
In a survey 80% of owners said they were certain they'd buy the exact same car again, the highest number in its class. It's also a Top Safety Pick, a C&D 5Best Truck, and MT SUV of the year, plus it's CR's top rated small crossover.
It's about the same size as an Outback, looks better, and has had no issues.
#107 of 145 Re: walking away [ateixeira]
Dec 28, 2010 (8:48 am)
I am on my 4th Subaru (05 Outback, 06 Tribeca, 09 Forester, and now 11 Outback (2.5 ltd)
Got the vehicle Oct 1, Mastria in Raynham) just turned 10,000 miles absolutely not problems at all, no vibration in front end either. MPG per trip computer now sitting at 28.8, actual is probably around 27.5.
No comparison to the 09 Forster I had for one year. That vehicle was a rattle-trap and gave a lousy ride. This one much better.
#108 of 145 Re: walking away [occking]
Dec 28, 2010 (9:25 am)
09 was the first year model, v1.0 if you will.
Ours is rattle-free, though we had a later built, about 6 months in to production.
Funny thing is when it came out, they had the LL Bean model, but by the time we bought ours the deal with LL Bean was done, so the 2nd half of 2009 models were called Limiteds.
The funny part? I actually liked the LL Bean embroidery and wood/leather steering wheel. Guess I got lucky...
#109 of 145 walking away
Dec 28, 2010 (2:34 pm)
Yep, she finds that the Forester is just too much of a truck like drive.
I wish that they had the outback version....back when they also had eddie bauer limited version. If it ain't broke, why change it.
My sister drove the eddie bauer and loved it. Her husband likes to wheel and deal, bought a used mercedes wagon for her. She hated having to sell the outback, and still regrets it. And, let me tell you this is a woman who came to expect high end jacked up suv's. She went through two land rovers and one mercedes suv before she went out on her own and drove the older outback model. If folks want their ride jacked up, let them drive a truck. Personally, I think the love affair with suv's is one of Ugly America's most prolific trinkets. It sorely disappoints me that Subaru abandoned the outback model from a few years ago in order to claim a part of the compact suv mkt.
When it comes to reliability, good driving, and reasonable prices, there is nothing to compare to the older outback.
Hundai could move in and take away a lot of market share from Subaru IF they had the equivalent.
#110 of 145 Re: walking away [wphill]
Dec 29, 2010 (8:59 am)
Hyundai would be wise to offer two things:
* a new Sonata wagon, besides the Elantra Touring
* AWD options for both
#111 of 145 Steering vibration - after about 6k miles
Dec 29, 2010 (12:03 pm)
Initial general quality was poor. My 2002 that I traded in was better than initial quality of 2010 outback.
Then about 9.5k miles horrible vibration in the steering wheel above about 65mph.
Dealer did force test. Two wheels failed and replaced (one each in the front and rear - diagonal to each other). Duplicated the trip and no vibration. When I inquired about replacing the wheels that tested good, i was advised that tires are either good or bad - do not become bad.
My experience and others was that whatever the cause may arise over time. I insisted that I don't want surprises when i'm on the road.
Car is deficient and one event away from a Toyota type recall.
#112 of 145 Re: acura owner [ateixeira]
Dec 30, 2010 (2:38 am)
I am not attacking you or anyone else personally. Let's not go getting paranoid, OK?
The fact is a few "beyond-the-limit behaviors" of the JGC (and what exactly does that mean??!) is a far cry from the well documented shakes of the competition which by this time must involve many hundreds of cars if not thousands.
There is no such systemic abnormality showing up yet in the new Jeep so far as I know. And when I get my new Overland in a few weeks I will report on its "behaviors" and will be the first to holler if anything untoward rears its ugly head. Count on it.
#113 of 145 Re: acura owner [ateixeira]
Dec 30, 2010 (3:14 am)
For your info, a loaded Outback in Canada (BC) with tax is pushing $46,000. The JGC is less than $10,000 higher and yet the equipment and refinement levels are way in excess of ten grand more. Which do you think makes that the better value?
Please point me to any credible automotive source which describes a systemic handling defect in the new JGC. I had one up to 90 mph on the highway without so much as a shimmy or a shake or even wind noise. Are you aware that the new JGC is as quiet as the new Rolls-Royce Ghost at 70 mph cruising? Both 64 dB. Beat that if you can.
And exactly what "stability control failure" in the JGC are you talking about? Is there a website discussing hundreds of examples of this? IF so, just where is it? Is this "defect" discussed ad nauseum anywhere?
How about safety? The new JGC is arguably the SAFEST SUV on the road. Informedforlife.org gives them a 45 which is within the best performers of all vehicles in its studies. It earned the very best IIHS top safety pick and I dare say higher than a certain shakermobile that shall go unnamed.
The new 2011 Jeep Grand is among the very best vehicles on the road today in many capacities from off roadability to safety to refinement to high-end audio system to Garmin NAV and on and on. Let's not forget the heated steering wheel and ventilated AND heated seats front AND back.
There are bound to be those who will attempt to disparage it, particularly if they have just gotten stuck with a shaker or some other defectively designed also-ran. It will take more than a few detractors hollering about "skitter and hop" to derail this baby.
#114 of 145 Report steering wheel vibration to nhtsa
Dec 30, 2010 (5:42 am)
National highway traffic safety administration has a means to file a complaint/incident via phone or on-line phone.
The link is https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
Maybe soa will respond to a gov't inquiry before a toyota type issue bites them in the rear.
#115 of 145 Re: acura owner [priggly]
Dec 30, 2010 (7:15 am)
You come here to express a concern about the Outback's suspension, and then propose an off-topic vehicle that has its own set of suspension issues. I pointed those out, and listed two sources.
Beyond the limit means tire adhesion limits exceeded. Jeep needs to recalibrate their stability control, at a minimum.
This is not the first Jeep controversy with the media - Autoweek had issues with a Jeep Liberty when they tested it in the slalom. Jeep actually ended up recalling them and made changes to the suspension.
I fully expect that Jeep will do something similar in this case, perhaps a stability control recalibration like Toyota did with the Lexus GX when Consumer Reports had a similar experience with that vehicle.
If a buyer is concerned with suspension handling issues, perhaps they should avoid BOTH of these vehicles.
That's all I'm saying.