Edmunds - Top 10 Dead or Dying Models

24 messages, Last post on Nov 02, 2009 at 10:17 AM

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Top 10 Dead or Dying Models - In the spirit of the aforementioned Mexican tradition, we've created this list celebrating the 10 expired or soon-to-be-departed models most worthy of your dime. Our picks are listed in alphabetical order. (more)

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#15 of 24 Re: Is the Kia Sedona going away too? [fezo] by andre1969 Oct 28, 2009 (3:46 pm)
Replying to: fezo (Oct 28, 2009 2:15 pm) I don't think anyone buys a minivan because of teh outstanding mileage... Yeah, it's because they're chick magnets, right? Replies to this message: fezo (Oct 28, 2009 6:09 pm)
#16 of 24 Re: Is the Kia Sedona going away too? [andre1969] by fezo Oct 28, 2009 (6:09 pm)
Replying to: andre1969 (Oct 28, 2009 3:46 pm) You betcha!
#17 of 24 Re: Edmunds - Top 10 Dead or Dying Models [andre1969] by ronsmith38 Oct 28, 2009 (8:11 pm)
Replying to: andre1969 (Oct 28, 2009 4:23 am) I read that a new Chevy Caprice police Cruiser will be based on, but not be a re-badged G8. Replies to this message: bowtiefan1 (Oct 29, 2009 4:26 pm)
#18 of 24 Re: Edmunds - Top 10 Dead or Dying Models [ronsmith38] by bowtiefan1 Oct 29, 2009 (4:26 pm)
Replying to: ronsmith38 (Oct 28, 2009 8:11 pm) The Chevy Caprice police cruiser will be based on a longer wheelbase version of the G8 (aka Holden Commodore). That model is called the Holden Statesman and it uses the longest wheelbase of the Zeta platform at 118.5 inches vs. G8's 114.8 inch wheelbase.
#19 of 24 am I correct? by nippononly Oct 30, 2009 (12:16 pm)
The Cobalt SS sedan is going away, but the coupe is sticking around right? We need more cars like the SS. While I was glancing at the write-up on the Cobalt, I noticed the XFE. I applaud the fuel economy, but is it true A/C isn't even optional from the factory?? Big no-no. Some of these are a bit misleading - like the Z4 coupe is going away because the convertible is a hard-top. Not exactly the same thing I know, but close enough for the average consumer I bet. Replies to this message: berri (Oct 30, 2009 4:36 pm) fezo (Oct 30, 2009 5:24 pm) euphonium (Nov 01, 2009 5:05 pm) anythngbutgm (Nov 02, 2009 9:24 am) andre1969 (Nov 02, 2009 10:17 am)
#20 of 24 Re: am I correct? [nippononly] by berri Oct 30, 2009 (4:36 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Oct 30, 2009 12:16 pm) Misleading is correct. I believe only one version of the new Malibu and Fusion actually beat the Camry in fuel economy. I understand they need to get consumer attention, but if the person buys a different version and is disappointed they risk credibility and repeat sales. Replies to this message: fezo (Oct 30, 2009 5:24 pm) euphonium (Nov 01, 2009 5:05 pm) anythngbutgm (Nov 02, 2009 9:24 am)
#21 of 24 Re: am I correct? [berri] by fezo Oct 30, 2009 (5:24 pm)
Replying to: berri (Oct 30, 2009 4:36 pm) Oh, the Chevy ads on gas mileage really do assume that you are an idiot. I don't think I could buy anything Howie Long endorses.... Replies to this message: euphonium (Nov 01, 2009 5:05 pm) anythngbutgm (Nov 02, 2009 9:24 am)
#22 of 24 Re: am I correct? [fezo] by euphonium Nov 01, 2009 (5:05 pm)
Replying to: fezo (Oct 30, 2009 5:24 pm) I don't think I could buy anything Howie Long endorses.... Maybe it's his "cop hair"?
#23 of 24 Re: am I correct? [fezo] by anythngbutgm Nov 02, 2009 (9:24 am)
Replying to: fezo (Oct 30, 2009 5:24 pm) Ugh, those commercials come off as condescending, arrogant and just plain classless. And where the heck did they pick up the guy for the "cop hair" one? I was waiting for him to open up his jacket and offer Howie a deal on a stolen watch or something.
#24 of 24 Re: am I correct? [nippononly] by andre1969 Nov 02, 2009 (10:17 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Oct 30, 2009 12:16 pm) I just tried to spec out a Cobalt, and it left me confused. However, here's how I interpreted it... The Cobalt XFE is the base, stripper model. It doesn't have a/c, and also has taller transmission/transaxle gearing and lower-resistance tires and small-ish 15" steel wheels. You can get a nicer LS or LT model with XFE badging, but you have to specify the manual transmission and 15" steel wheels with the low-resistance tires. However, an LS or LT is going to have a/c. So my guess is that they throw out those enticing numbers using the strippo XFE model, but if you get an LS or LT with XFE badging, it'll get somewhat worse.