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#1 of 14 Toyota's RWD "FT-86" 2+2 2.0 Liter Concept
Oct 07, 2009 (11:49 am)
Check out this Toyota concept in Edmund's Inside Line. I think it has the potential to be a winner.
I see it competing against the Hyundai Genesis turbo 4 coupe, the BMW 1-Series, GM's planned (1 and 3-Series competitor) Alpha platform Cadillac coupe, the V6 Mustang, plus a slew of FWD sporty cars (such as the MINI Cooper, Honda CR-Z and Toyota's own Scion tC). Speaking of Toyota's youth brand, the Scion, shouldn't the production version of the FT-86 concept car be a Scion instead of a Toyota?
#2 of 14 Re: Toyota's RWD "FT-86" 2+2 2.0 Liter Concept [hpmctorque]
Oct 07, 2009 (8:53 pm)
It's actually going to be a rebadged Subaru, sold as a Toyota in Japan, and Subaru in the USDM and possibly other markets.
#3 of 14 Re: Toyota's RWD "FT-86" 2+2 2.0 Liter Concept [paisan]
Oct 08, 2009 (4:30 pm)
I think many folks myself included, expect that it will be sold here as a Toyota, and that the Subaru will be an AWD version in North America.
This car is probably going to start around the same price as a GTI, and as such it is too expensive for the Scion line.
I hope they offer the turbo 2.0 from the JDM Subarus - makes around 250 hp IIRC, and what a blast that would be to drive in a 2500-pound coupe. With hopefully a price that even with the optional upgrade engine would come in at $26-28K.
#4 of 14 Re: Toyota's RWD "FT-86" 2+2 2.0 Liter Concept [nippononly]
Oct 08, 2009 (5:48 pm)
The 2.0 Liter is supposed to make the NA engine push out almost 250hp by itself. 220 IIRC was the number.
It will probably get heavy for the USDM market due to safety crap
#5 of 14 Re: Toyota's RWD "FT-86" 2+2 2.0 Liter Concept [paisan]
Oct 08, 2009 (6:16 pm)
Oh cool, I thought the NA with DI made 200 or so, but 220 is even better!
Someone over at Subaru Crew said upper 100s though.
A car this light should be real fun with "only" 200 hp. 220 would just be a bonus.
#6 of 14 Re: Toyota's RWD "FT-86" 2+2 2.0 Liter Concept [nippononly]
Oct 08, 2009 (6:43 pm)
You can get almost 230-240hp out of a 2.5RS 2.5i engine with cams and heads... So for a factory effort with DI it shouldn't be a crazy stretch.
#7 of 14 Toyota has a potential here
Nov 02, 2009 (8:35 pm)
So it will the most expensive Scion, have budget interior,lame engine (for costs) and canabilize the tC coupe? I (30s young professional) wouldn't buy it because it is a Scion.
If it is slow, it will be killed off by cars like the Genesis coupe and Mustang v6. It's only advantage would be finesse and agility, ala S2000. I hope they put something in it with more than 200 hp, or else FWD cars like the Civic Si, GTI will be better performance cars.
Besides, what good is a RWD layout without the power to utilize it?
Now if they make a convertible, I'd be interested. I'm in the market for a used S2000 and a MX-5 is just too ugly.
Another tactic is to market it as an entry level Lexus coupe, put all the bells and whistles in it with a subie turbo. Now I'm drooling...
Toyota needs some excitement in their lineup, other than 500 copies of a $300k car thats not any more superior to the GT-R, other than top speed.
#8 of 14 Re: Toyota's RWD "FT-86" 2+2 2.0 Liter Concept [hpmctorque]
Nov 02, 2009 (9:40 pm)
Toyota needs to do this! Their current lineup is about as exciting as a discussion of inventory valuation methods at a mud wrestling contest. Their hardware is proven. They've got the technology pinned down, but the styling needs a shot of Tequila. No teenager will fantasize over pictures of a 2010 Toyota Anyting. I hope Toyota gives this FT-86 the green light.
#10 of 14 Re: wanna see a pic? ;-) [nippononly]
Nov 20, 2009 (2:53 pm)
Styling aside, until we see production models, I'd prefer the trimmer, lighter RWD Toyota over the larger and heavier AWD Subaru.