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Is the Volt really a "Hybrid" or not?

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#60 of 140 Re: kWh re-charge? [brybry] by stephen987

Oct 23, 2010 (3:02 pm)

Replying to: brybry (Oct 23, 2010 1:51 pm)
You're out of your mind, brybry. The EPA mileage figures for the most efficient version of the Malibu are 22 city, 33 hwy, compared to 41 city, 36 hwy for the Fusion hybrid.

#61 of 140 Re: kWh re-charge? [dodgeman07] by brybry

Oct 23, 2010 (5:25 pm)

Replying to: dodgeman07 (Oct 23, 2010 2:24 pm)
From the GM and Ford websites.

#62 of 140 Re: kWh re-charge? [stephen987] by brybry

Oct 23, 2010 (5:40 pm)

Replying to: stephen987 (Oct 23, 2010 3:02 pm)
Click on the link: http://compare.autodata.gm.ca/compare/frameset.asp?comps=CAC00FOC201A0&YearComp=- C10&BrandComp=&SuperMakeIDComp=&ModelIDComp=Please+choose+a+model&compVeh1=CAC00- FOC201A0&compVeh2=&compVeh3=&Year=C10&BrandID=CH&MakeID=11977&SuperMakeID=Malibu- &BaseAcode=CAC10CHC111A0&Lang=en&ModelID=&Internal=N&adv=&dealer=&ds=&dc=&includ- eGMNavs=True&DeleteAcode=&Type=&returnToUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gm.ca%2Fgm%2Fenglis- h%2Fvehicles%2Fchevrolet%2Fmalibu%2Fmodel-detail01-key-features

#63 of 140 Don't be fooled by pf_flyer HOST

Oct 23, 2010 (5:44 pm)

If you think it's going to cost $1.50 to fuel the Volt per day, I'd like a six pack of whatever it is you found. Think of it like this. Right now, with a gasoline powered vehicle you're willing to pay X per day to fuel it. You'd be ECSTATIC to pay 1/2 of that per day. I'd wager that 1/2 of X is a LOT more than $1.50
 
There is no free lunch. If large numbers of people start plugging in to charge up, electric rates WILL go up. Nobody ever seems to want to recognize this. And no, it won't matter when you plug in. The demand on the grid from electric cars is something that is not there now. More demand, same supply, price goes up.

#64 of 140 Re: kWh re-charge? [brybry] by gagrice

Oct 23, 2010 (5:53 pm)

Replying to: brybry (Oct 23, 2010 5:40 pm)
That comparison is between the Malibu and Fusion NON hybrid. The hybrid Fusion gets about 33% better overall MPG than the Malibu or Fusion non hybrid. You live in Canada. You can get a Smart diesel and get close to 90 MPG according to one owner I talked to.

#65 of 140 Re: Don't be fooled [pf_flyer] by dodgeman07

Oct 23, 2010 (9:40 pm)

Replying to: pf_flyer (Oct 23, 2010 5:44 pm)
On a positive note, I'm amazed it only takes $1.50/day of electricity for the average consumer to re-charge the Volt. 16kWh at $0.08/kWh (what I pay) is only $1.28/day.
 
They'd have to sell millions of these to have any significant effect on overall electric consumption. I use to track CO2 emissions at a small manufacturing plant where I worked. Our rate was $0.04/kWh and our average monthly bill was $300,000. This small (250,000 sqft) plant burned 250,000kWh/day average!
 
For comparison purposes: Re-charging a fully depleted Volt battery burns roughly the same amount of electricity as a small family uses operating a 50 gallon electric hot water heater every day.

#66 of 140 Re: Don't be fooled [dodgeman07] by gagrice

Oct 24, 2010 (5:13 am)

Replying to: dodgeman07 (Oct 23, 2010 9:40 pm)
Looking at rates across the country, I don't see anyplace under 8.65 cents per KWH. Which is a rate I would be tickled to have. The EIA rate sheet does not reflect graduated rates like we have in So California. Our lowest rate is for the first 300 KWHs of usage. For the Volt buyers that look at their electric bills it may be a shock after the first bill arrives. They may just run on gas as it could be cheaper.
 
http://www.eia.doe.gov/electricity/epm/table5_6_a.html

#67 of 140 Re: Don't be fooled [gagrice] by dodgeman07

Oct 24, 2010 (1:09 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Oct 24, 2010 5:13 am)
That's a nice table you linked gagrice. I live in an area (county) that maintains it's own coal-fired power plant, which is unusual. My rates are lower than the typical consumer rate of $0.11/kWh.
 
You'll be green with envy if you open this link and see my rates:
 
MPW.org
 
I pay half what many parts of the country pay as you noted. And yes, some would be spending more money on their electric bill than they would if operating gasoline only in a highly-efficient automobile that can get 35mpg.

#68 of 140 Re: Don't be fooled [gagrice] by larsb

Oct 25, 2010 (8:41 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Oct 24, 2010 5:13 am)
My "Off Peak" rates for SRP in Arizona are:
 
7.79 cents per kWh May thru June and September/October
7.88 cents per kWh July/August
7.29 cents per kWh November thru April.
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7.65 cents per kWh average for the year.
 
With my Solar Panels and the usage patterns I currently have, I will never pay any "On-Peak" charges, so these are the rates I pay.
 
OK, I know this likely puts me in a VERY SMALL GROUP of people paying that small amount, but still - there might be a few thousand more like my situation across the country.

#69 of 140 Re: Don't be fooled [larsb] by ateixeira

Oct 25, 2010 (9:11 am)

Replying to: larsb (Oct 25, 2010 8:41 am)
We should look at the markets where the Volt will be sold, though.
 
Isn't it going to be sold only in major urban area, like LA, DC, and NYC?
 
Rates in those areas may be a lot higher.

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