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Re: Blame the carmaker for poor design [gagrice] by corvette
Nov 05, 2009 (3:29 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2009 2:36 pm)

Yeah, the fulcrum is at the bottom of the pedal. It'd take a tremendous amount of force coming from the floormat to prevent it from returning to its idle position.
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Re: Blame the carmaker for poor design [corvette] by ssimm
Nov 05, 2009 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: corvette (Nov 05, 2009 3:29 pm)

It would take a tremendous amount of force coming from the floormat to keep it from returning to its idle position. What will Toyota do after they order the recall for the floor mats and then the problem is still happening? The problem goes all the way back to 2002 when they made changes to the way the throttle operates... not just since 2006.
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Re: Blame the carmaker for poor design [ssimm] by imidazol97
Nov 05, 2009 (5:00 pm)
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Replying to: ssimm (Nov 05, 2009 4:52 pm)

>The problem goes all the way back to 2002 when they made changes to the way the throttle operates
 
That needs to be brought out with more examples.
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Re: Blame the carmaker for poor design [imidazol97] by 210delray
Nov 05, 2009 (5:25 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 05, 2009 5:00 pm)

Mine don't have any problems (2004 and 2005). I still think throttle-by-wire is better than the old mechanical linkages or cables, which could bind or break.
 
I did note earlier that the bottom of my Camrys' accelerator pedals are about an inch higher above the floor than in the 2010 Camry (and presumably the 2007-09 models).
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Re: Blame the carmaker for poor design [ssimm] by ateixeira
Nov 05, 2009 (6:19 pm)
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Replying to: ssimm (Nov 05, 2009 4:52 pm)

If the problem was widespread on a 2002 model we would have been having this discussion in 2005.
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Re: Blame the carmaker for our stupidity/ignorance ! Sheesh! [gagrice] by rsholland
Nov 06, 2009 (5:11 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2009 1:55 pm)

Subaru now uses two little pegs near the front of the driver's seat that lock the floor mat in place, and keeps it from sliding forward. It's a really easy solution to this problem.
 
Bob
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Re: Blame the carmaker for our stupidity/ignorance ! Sheesh! [rsholland] by ateixeira
Nov 06, 2009 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: rsholland (Nov 06, 2009 5:11 am)

Toyota and Lexus do as well. In this case the wrong mat was used, it was a mat from an RX SUV in an ES sedan (dealer screwed up).
 
If they didn't bother finding the right mat, I doubt they even looked for those anchors.
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Re: Blame the carmaker for poor design [ssimm] by explorerx4
Nov 06, 2009 (4:27 pm)
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Replying to: ssimm (Nov 05, 2009 4:52 pm)

i thought maybe it had something to do with 'heel and toe' to mollify some car magazines, but now i doubt that.
here is an edmunds link to the technique:
the prose describes driving a passat but pictures are from a focus
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It was bound to happen by gagrice
Nov 07, 2009 (2:03 pm)
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Class-action suit filed for Toyota owners
 
Saturday, November 7, 2009 at 2:31 a.m.
 
A Southern California law firm has filed a class-action lawsuit on behalf of Toyota and Lexus owners who say their vehicles were involved in incidents of sudden acceleration.
 
The Redlands-based firm of McCuneWrightsaid it filed the suit Thursday in the name of two Los Angeles County residents who have experienced multiple cases of unintended speeding.
 
“For years, Toyota Motor Corp. has dismissed complaints of sudden acceleration as being the driver’s fault,” attorney David Wright said in a statement. “But neither driver error nor floor mats can explain away many other frightening instances of runaway Toyotas. Until the company acknowledges the real problem and fixes it, we worry that other preventable injuries and deaths will occur.”
 
Toyota is advising owners to remove all driver-side mats from certain Toyota and Lexus models and is preparing for a recall, once the automaker and federal officials determine the underlying defects that may be behind the incidents.

 
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/nov/07/class-action-suit-filed-for-toyot- a-owners/
 
November 6, 2009 4:49 PM EST
 
REDLANDS, Calif., Nov. 6 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The law firm of McCuneWright, LLP, filed a national class action lawsuit yesterday against Toyota Motor Corporation on behalf of Toyota and Lexus owners who have experienced incidents of sudden unintended acceleration.
 
Los Angeles County residents Seong Bae Choi, the owner of a 2004 Camry and Chris Chan Park, who owns a 2008 FJ Cruiser, will represent the class. Both have experienced multiple instances of sudden unintended acceleration in their respective vehicles, Choi and Park are also among the thousands of Toyota and Lexus owners who have experienced incidents of sudden unintended acceleration while driving their vehicles, and among the millions who are potentially affected by this dangerous defect.
 
This, however, is not the only fatal crash resulting from sudden unintended acceleration in Toyota and Lexus models. Sean Kane, president of Safety Research & Strategies, Inc., has reported at least 16 fatalities and 243 injuries in crashes involving Toyotas that have been attributed to sudden unintended acceleration. In total, there have been more than 2,000 complaints of sudden unintended acceleration in these vehicles, culled from litigation and consumer-reported complaints to the automaker and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

 
http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+Releases/Class+Action+Lawsuit+Filed+Against+T- oyota+to+Correct+Sudden+Acceleration/5085310.html
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Re: It was bound to happen [gagrice] by 210delray
Nov 07, 2009 (4:14 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 07, 2009 2:03 pm)

2004 Camry, eh? Well, mine's been fine for 67K miles, and our 2005 has been as well at 41K+ miles. I'm not worried, and our floormats are secure.

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