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1210 messages, Last post on Dec 05, 2009 at 9:18 PM
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We have become a nation of complainers. C`mon folks get real. Try to stop blaming everyone for our stupidity. Doesn`t matter if it`s a Toyota,Chevy,Honda or Ford. You spray a solution in your house and then slip on it-and now you blame the fall on the solution b`cos it made the floor TOO slippery,caused you mental turmoil,and now you want to sue the solution company.  We blame the restaurants for getting fat and obese instead of blaming our self control and getting the butt out and exercising which is tough ! A floorrmat getting stuck-- The maker`s fault??What a joke?? Always blaming someone for our incompetence or inefficiency or plain greed. No wonder GM/Chrysler and even Ford are in such a horrible position today.  The next time an accident happens-is because the dash board reflected too much light and hence my eyes got distracted . And so ,sue the carmaker,the dashboard company,the car detailer who cleaned and shined up the dashboard,blame the excess sunrays,sue the weather dept for predicting a cloudy day when infact it`s a sunny day etc etc.Just ran out of excuses !!. We are becoming like babies who need someone else to change our diapers ! Sheesh ! 
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Replying to: 210delray (Nov 03, 2009 7:17 am) I was by there yesterday as there is a Toyota Service center close by. I cannot drive down that stretch of road without thinking about that crash. 125 is so steep that I have to brake a few times going down that grade to keep from coasting over 70 MPH. I think it was premature for the NHTSA to close the book on this case until the contents of the black box is revealed. |
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Replying to: deltheking (Nov 03, 2009 7:44 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 03, 2009 8:08 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 20, 2009 9:21 am) |
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| steve_, "Toyota in decline in 2009?" #3045, 3 Nov 2009 3:14 pm | |
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2009 3:16 pm) I suppose you know Steve that Edmund's own Inside Line (Straightline Blog) has mentioned this broadcast, and IMO Straightline presents a very balanced, non hysterical view of the situation: ABC has produced an investigative piece on the issue, wherein a few Toyota owners and an independent safety expert make the case that reports of unintended acceleration in Toyota/Lexus products cannot be written off to mere bunched-up floor mats. Independent safety analyst Sean Kane, of the Vehicle Safety Information Resource Center, LLC (VSIRC), was interviewed for the story, and he says he has uncovered evidence of more than 200 accidents and a dozen deaths involving Toyota and Lexus vehicles that apparently accelerated out of control. His numbers come from another company, Safety Research & Strategies, Inc. (SRS), but neither Kane nor the SRS web site lays out those numbers in any kind of detail. Kane then speculates that electronic thottles may be the real culprit of unintended acceleration but offers nothing in support of that. So, in the absence of hard evidence, we can't exactly describe ABC's report as a rigorous investigative piece. ABC does at least acknowledge that no engineers or automotive safety experts have been able to duplicate this condition in a Toyota or Lexus, and that NHTSA denied the latest petition for a defect investigation of the current-generation ES 350. So what this boils down to are self-styled "safety experts" and a tabloid-type "news" story branding this as a serious problem. At the same time NHTSA has denied a petition for a defect investigation of the alleged "sudden acceleration." The matter is not closed as NHTSA acknowledged today, because Toyota itself said it is looking into the root cause of the problem (if any) and will issue a follow-up letter to owners offering a more permanent solution (perhaps the "German" method). In the interim, the company is recommending the removal of driver floor mats in certain late-model Toyota and Lexus vehicles, or if the mats aren't removed, ensuring that the proper mat is used and secured by the retention hooks. |
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Replying to: 210delray (Nov 03, 2009 5:30 pm) Is it possible to reprogram existing powertrain control systems in the cars already sold to reduce or eliminate acceleration if the system senses acceleration request and braking occurring simultaneously. That would be an easy fix if it could be done in the field on existing cars! It may save lives.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 03, 2009 6:02 pm) BTW gagrice, only VW/Audi have had this system for "nearly a decade," 2001 to be exact. BMW came on board in the 2005 model year, and Mercedes hasn't been very forthcoming, last I heard.
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Replying to: 210delray (Nov 03, 2009 5:30 pm) I missed it.  Here's the link: Is There More to the Toyota Floor Mat Debacle? Safety Research & Strategies apparently does a lot of business with *surprise* lawyers. And the phones should be ringing tomorrow.
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