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Re: no defect, check your mats [mcdawgg]
by houdini1
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Nov 03, 2009 (6:29 am)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Nov 03, 2009 1:17 am)
LOL, it is already happening over at the Toyota in decline forum. NHTSA was paid off, NHTSA made sure Toyota made money on C4C, NHTSA is protecting Toyota from lawsuits, and on and on.
It's about the same thing as trying to blame Toyota for an accident that someone had while driving a manual transmission that they were unfamiliar with, or someone filling their diesel car with gasoline.
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- #853 of 1210
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Re: no defect, check your mats [houdini1]
by gagrice
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Nov 03, 2009 (6:42 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 03, 2009 6:29 am)
And you don't think the NHTSA was premature in closing the book on this case? The data from the black box has not been presented. If you noticed the tone of the Toyota spokesman changed dramatically after they got the NHTSA on their side. Until Toyota figures out how to stop a car with the brakes when it is out of control from whatever cause, they have a POORLY DESIGNED CAR. They need to get some German engineers to help them out. Then they can stack ten mats and not have runaway acceleration. I know several of you that believe the sun rises with Toyota are not going to be convinced they are sweeping this under the rug. The truth is they have for several years.
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- #854 of 1210
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Re: no defect, check your mats [lemko]
by 210delray
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Nov 03, 2009 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 03, 2009 5:43 am)
It's not really a "weird" accelerator pedal design. I looked at a number of midsize cars (2009-10 models) and most share the same basic design. Only the VW/Audi products had large, bottom-hinged pedals, like all cars did back in the day.
The Sonata's design is very close to that of the Camry.
What seems to vary most is the height of the pedal from the floor below.
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- #855 of 1210
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Re: no defect, check your mats [gagrice]
by 210delray
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Nov 03, 2009 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 03, 2009 6:42 am)
No, I don't think NHTSA was premature. Look at all the other allegations of "sudden acceleration" over the last 25 years. In the vast majority of cases, NHTSA could find no defect, except people were stepping on the gas instead of the brake or there were floormat hangups as in this case.
I'm sure the black box will be interrogated, after litigation is undertaken by both sides in this case.
BTW, I finally looked at the Google street view of the crash scene. Gary, maybe you can speculate on why the driver didn't stay on the freeway (admittedly a rather sharp left turn was coming up) rather than choosing to go DOWN an exit ramp ending at a T intersection? I also noticed there were guardrails along the median -- at that point I wouldn't have cared about the car, and just scraped along those to scrub off some speed as a last-ditch attempt.
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- #856 of 1210
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Blame the carmaker for our stupidity/ignorance ! Sheesh!
by deltheking
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Nov 03, 2009 (7:44 am)
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We have become a nation of complainers. C`mon folks get real. Try to stop blaming everyone for our stupidity. Doesn`t matter if it`s a Toyota,Chevy,Honda or Ford.
You spray a solution in your house and then slip on it-and now you blame the fall on the solution b`cos it made the floor TOO slippery,caused you mental turmoil,and now you want to sue the solution company.  We blame the restaurants for getting fat and obese instead of blaming our self control and getting the butt out and exercising which is tough !
A floorrmat getting stuck-- The maker`s fault??What a joke?? Always blaming someone for our incompetence or inefficiency or plain greed. No wonder GM/Chrysler and even Ford are in such a horrible position today. 
The next time an accident happens-is because the dash board reflected too much light and hence my eyes got distracted . And so ,sue the carmaker,the dashboard company,the car detailer who cleaned and shined up the dashboard,blame the excess sunrays,sue the weather dept for predicting a cloudy day when infact it`s a sunny day etc etc.Just ran out of excuses !!. We are becoming like babies who need someone else to change our diapers ! Sheesh ! 
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Re: no defect, check your mats [210delray]
by gagrice
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Nov 03, 2009 (7:57 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (Nov 03, 2009 7:17 am)
I would assume it was due to traffic at that time. The off ramp to 52 which is what you are seeing from the air is usually crowded with slower traffic. The left lanes of 125 are rarely used as most of the traffic turns right onto Mission Gorge road. Remember that is a very steep hill going down to that T at Mission Gorge Rd. That probably made it a lot worse.
I was by there yesterday as there is a Toyota Service center close by. I cannot drive down that stretch of road without thinking about that crash. 125 is so steep that I have to brake a few times going down that grade to keep from coasting over 70 MPH.
I think it was premature for the NHTSA to close the book on this case until the contents of the black box is revealed.
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Re: Blame the carmaker for our stupidity/ignorance ! Sheesh! [deltheking]
by gagrice
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Nov 03, 2009 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: deltheking (Nov 03, 2009 7:44 am)
I am a strong advocate of Tort reform. I think the awards in many cases are totally crazy. I am also for companies and groups policing themselves. The AMA needs to pull the license on doctors that screw up more than once. Toyota needs to address their problems with their drive by wire system. The mats are just part of the issue. A car's brakes should be able to stop that car under any circumstance. It is Toyota that is making the excuses and pointing fingers to avoid the expense of fixing the root problem in those 3.8 Million vehicles. Audi experienced the same unintended acceleration problems and engineered their vehicles to stop when the brakes are applied at full speed. There is NO excuse for Toyota to let this slide until the next fatal crash.
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Re: Blame the carmaker for our stupidity/ignorance ! Sheesh! [gagrice]
by mcdawgg
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Nov 03, 2009 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 03, 2009 8:08 am)
OK, then the NHTSA is wrong. Now, how about we do something about the babies/small children that drown every day - more drown every day in this country than have ever been killed by people that don't follow directions or use common sense killed by those incorrectly designed Toyotas that the stupid, paid-off, etc. NHTSA said were correctly designed.
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Re: With Toyota's 3.0 V-6 sludge... [andre1969]
by doggrandma
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Nov 03, 2009 (11:25 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 20, 2009 9:21 am)
I read that you shouldn't use synthetic on brand new cars (can't remember why exactly - I think it was about the parts getting meshed together properly) or on vehicles with over 100,000 miles on them (because the synthetic is too slippery for the poor, old worn out parts on those).
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Is it sweeps week?
by steve_ HOST
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Nov 03, 2009 (3:16 pm)
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steve_, "Toyota in decline in 2009?" #3045, 3 Nov 2009 3:14 pm
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