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#1181 of 1210 Re: Toyota's fall continues [maple2] by ateixeira

Nov 30, 2009 (1:04 pm)

Replying to: maple2 (Nov 30, 2009 12:54 pm)
That still doesn't mean they failed the test.
 
You know what they say about the word "assume".

#1182 of 1210 Re: Toyota's fall continues [ateixeira] by 210delray

Nov 30, 2009 (1:29 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 30, 2009 1:04 pm)
Plus it should be noted that the IIHS uses a Good-Acceptable-Marginal-Poor rating scheme for all of its tests, including the new roof strength test. A "fail" in my mind would mean Poor, Yet, the majority of vehicles tested so far scored a Good or Acceptable, including the ones not specifically submitted for testing by the manufacturers:
 
Midsize moderately priced cars (Camry leads this list.)
 
Small SUVs
 
Minicars

#1183 of 1210 Re: Toyota's fall continues [210delray] by ateixeira

Nov 30, 2009 (1:40 pm)

Replying to: 210delray (Nov 30, 2009 1:29 pm)
Yaris leads the Minicars list as well.
 
Camry gets a Good on everything except the headrests, and they're in the process of adding those (Sienna got it this year).
 
I wouldn't bet against the Camry making it on the 2011 Top Safety Picks list.

#1184 of 1210 Re: Toyota's fall continues [ateixeira] by maple2

Nov 30, 2009 (1:44 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 30, 2009 1:04 pm)
That still doesn't mean they failed the test.
  
You know what they say about the word "assume".
 
actually, much like an exam, if you dont show up you fail. Face it...toyota knew they would fail and figured it would be much easier crying foul from the sidelines. If toyota was so sure they could pass they would have flagged their cars to be tested.

#1185 of 1210 Re: Toyota's fall continues [maple2] by 210delray

Nov 30, 2009 (1:55 pm)

Replying to: maple2 (Nov 30, 2009 1:44 pm)
Not necessarily -- it could mean the marketing (or accounting) people won out over the engineers.
 
We shall see in the near future -- I'd bet the engineers will have their way now.

#1186 of 1210 Re: Toyota's fall continues [maple2] by ateixeira

Nov 30, 2009 (2:04 pm)

Replying to: maple2 (Nov 30, 2009 1:44 pm)
I disagree. This situation is different.
 
It's like being a straight A student, then they add one new course requirement after you earned your diploma and graduated with honors (the 2009 Top Safety Pick award).

#1187 of 1210 Re: Toyota's fall continues [ateixeira] by maple2

Nov 30, 2009 (3:14 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 30, 2009 2:04 pm)
well that is a nice spin on things, but if this were true then nobody would have passed the testing. instead we have toyota crying that the rules changed .I got bad news for you...they changed for everybody

#1188 of 1210 Re: Toyota's fall continues [maple2] by ateixeira

Nov 30, 2009 (6:58 pm)

Replying to: maple2 (Nov 30, 2009 3:14 pm)
Good thing they had 5 models make the list, then.
 
Ford 6, Toyota 5.
 
But wait, what's this? Headline from Automotive News, today in fact (timing is everything):
 
Geely, Ford agree on Volvo intellectual property
 
The deal is being finalized, and if so Ford is down to having...the Taurus and MKS.
 
Toyota 5, Ford 2.
 
And the Camry is an active headrest away from being added to that list.

#1189 of 1210 Re: Toyota's fall continues [ateixeira] by gagrice

Nov 30, 2009 (9:24 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 30, 2009 6:58 pm)
It is still a mere Camry. A very blah vehicle with nothing to excite the driver. Thankfully now it is safe. Though I question the whole headrest thing. I just do not get all the building a fortress of air bags around myself. It gives people a false sense of security. You hit a bank or a tree at slow speed you still go to the hospital. You crash at high speed with the throttle wide open you burn to a crisp. No thanks give me a big substantial vehicle to drive. I will match up your Camry to my Sequoia in a crash test at any angle.

#1190 of 1210 Yeah... by iluvmysephia1

Nov 30, 2009 (11:06 pm)

gagrice, that's the way to tell 'em! Don't give an inch!
 
I rented a white '09 Toyota Camry at Sea-Tac this past summer. After dealing with Budget's incompetence in just getting me the right car to go with the right paperwork, I was off in to the Seattle traffic.
 
The white '09 Camry actually carted me along in an enjoyable manner through the moist Emerald City. I felt safe on slower-speed roads, but at freeway speeds I did not like the way it handled, steering was awkward and the car felt "floaty". Not dangerously "floaty" just annoyingly floaty.
 
Little did I know that my accelerator could've become stuck wide open at any time.
Am I being unfair to think that, do ya'all think? From the material we've had to read in the past month or 6 weeks you couldn't argue with that fear-ish statement.
 
Could you?

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