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96 Camry, the power window

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96 Camry, the power window by firetruck
Aug 16, 2009 (9:53 am)
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I have a 96 Camry, the power window on passenger side will not work with the door switches (both sides). I replaced both switches and still does not work. I connected window motor directly to battery and windows works. What can be causing this? I have current from the driver window switch and current from the passenger window switch. Is it maybe not enough current? Thanks
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Re: 96 Camry, the power window [firetruck] by kiawah
Aug 16, 2009 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: firetruck (Aug 16, 2009 9:53 am)

Suspect that the wire has broken where it bends back and forth in the door jamb. Your motor is good as verified by applying the voltage directly to it. Your switches were replaced.
 
You'll need a voltmeter to measure the voltage to see where it drops. I suspect it's in the driver side door, that's the one that gets opened and closed the most. In a 14 year old car, that is a lot of flexing back and forth.
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Re: 96 Camry, the power window [kiawah] by firetruck
Aug 16, 2009 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: kiawah (Aug 16, 2009 10:03 am)

I also get current on BOTH wires coming from the passenger side switch no matter if I press the window switch up or down, it shouldn't do that should it?
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Re: 96 Camry, the power window [firetruck] by kiawah
Aug 16, 2009 (11:36 am)
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Replying to: firetruck (Aug 16, 2009 10:18 am)

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you get 'current', do you mean 'voltage'?
 
There are three wires going to the drivers side door switch.
- One of those wires comes from the power main relay, which is what supplies voltage to the switch. This should always be positive 13volts-ish. This is pin-5 of the switch.
- The other two wires are connected back to the drivers side master switch, and they effectively provide the path back to ground for the motor to work (when operated from the passenger side switch). This is pin-2 and pin-3 of the switch.
 
If the lock/normal switch is in the normal position, and neither the drivers or passenger switch is depressed in either the up or down position, there should be no voltage on those two wires. They are at frame ground.
 
If the lock/normal switch is in the lock position, then the voltage would 'float' up to probably 12 volts or so, because there is a light diode and resistor in the circuit connected to the 13 volts also, but the diode will drop about .7 volts across it. You should ignore all this stuff though.....just put the switch in normal position and they will be zero volts.
 
The window motor is connected to pin-1 and pin-4 of the switch.
 
So in summary for correct operation (all voltages measured on the passenger side switch):
- pin 5 is always +13volts
- when operating the passenger window from the passenger side switch and switched UP, pin 1 for the wiper motor will go to +13volts (since it is internally connecting to pin 5). Pin 4 is the ground for the motor, which is internally connected the switch to pin 3, which should be at ground if the drivers side switch is in the 'normal' position.
- when operating the passenger window from the passenger side switch and switched DOWN, then pin 4 goes to +13 volts (as it is internally connecting to pin 5). Pin 1 is connected in the switch to pin 2, which should be at ground.
- when operating the passenger window by the drivers side switch, when drivers switch is UP, pin 2 of the passenger switch should be +13 volts, and also pin 1 at +13volts. Pin 4 is connected to pin 3, which is connected to ground.
- when operating the passenger window by the driver side switch DOWN, then pin 3 of the passenger switch will be at +13 volts, as well as pin 4. Pin 1, and pin 2 will be at ground.
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Re: 96 Camry, the power window [kiawah] by firetruck
Aug 16, 2009 (12:02 pm)
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Replying to: kiawah (Aug 16, 2009 11:36 am)

I used a current test light and I unplugged the passenger window switch from the window motor, and when I pressed the window switch up the light lights up on BOTH wires coming from the switch. Shouldn't it just light up on one of the wires?
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Re: 96 Camry, the power window [firetruck] by kiawah
Aug 16, 2009 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: firetruck (Aug 16, 2009 12:02 pm)

Refresh your browser on my previous message which I edited, it has the voltages that you should find. I was in the middle of editing when you replied. Make sure the drivers side switch is in the 'normal' unlocked position.
 
So is it a little test light that you are using to check voltages? You putting one probe lead on the metal car frame, and the other probe checking for enough voltage to turn on the light?
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Re: 96 Camry, the power window [firetruck] by firetruck
Aug 16, 2009 (12:42 pm)
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Replying to: firetruck (Aug 16, 2009 12:02 pm)

The answer to your question is yes ("So is it a little test light that you are using to check voltages? You putting one probe lead on the metal car frame, and the other probe checking for enough voltage to turn on the light?")
THANKS
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Re: 96 Camry, the power window [firetruck] by kiawah
Aug 16, 2009 (1:25 pm)
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Replying to: firetruck (Aug 16, 2009 12:42 pm)

Okay, see if you can check out the switch voltages with your test light. Tell me what you find that doesn't match what you are supposed to get per my previous post.
 
Lets see how far we get, but you may have to buy a small cheap volt/ohmmeter to trouble shoot this. You can get them for usually about 10-15 bucks at a radio shack or some auto parts chains. You need it to measure both voltage (volt meter) and resistance (ohmmeter). Can be either digital or analog.
 
But tell me what you find with your light.

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