Last post on Dec 11, 2010 at 11:30 PM
You are in the Kia Forte / Forte Koup
What is this discussion about?
Kia Forte, Toyota Corolla, Hyundai Elantra, Mazda MAZDA3, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#43 of 72 Re: kia forte or forte koup? manual or auto? [corisays]
Dec 01, 2009 (12:33 pm)
Some other things to consider:
- Sedans tend to be viewed as more practical for the reasons you mentioned while coupes tend to be viewed as sportier
- Automatics are more comfortable in city driving (less shifting) but are usually less fuel efficient than manual transmissions (this is changng, though)
- Coupe doors are typically longer which may be an issue when parking (as in banging the door against another car in a parking lot or against a wall in a parking garage)
- Consider resale value if you think you may be selling the car eventually; my understanding is that automatic sedans are a safe bet for resale as they tend to be the choice that satisfies the majority of car buyers
But after all the thinking about practicality, ask yourself if you're satisfied with your choice. If not, you have your answer!
#44 of 72 Re: kia forte or forte koup? manual or auto? [autonomous]
Dec 01, 2009 (6:32 pm)
thank you so much for your input! i wouldve never thought the decision would be so hard...
#45 of 72 Re: kia forte or forte koup? manual or auto? [corisays]
Dec 01, 2009 (6:40 pm)
it really comes down to personel preference between the koupe and the sedan..however,i recently was at my kia dealer getting an oil change for my forte EX and noticed a forte koupe sx in the corsa blue color and i couldn't take my eyes off of it thats how nice it looked.the forte koupe is a real eye catcher in any color.
Dec 03, 2009 (6:11 am)
any of ya'll that are interested in getting a manual-trannied Forte Koup or Forte sedan, I have read that some people are having a hard time with it's clutch and shifter. I don't know, I haven't tried one out yet, but there is some hunting and pecking problem going on while people are trying to shift through the gears. Combined with some of the regular clutch synchronization problems people normally have with stick shift driving. I'd give one a thorough shifting workout during test driving, for one thing. And do a lot more research on this clutch and shifter trouble apparently going on.
#47 of 72 Re: Just a FYI... [iluvmysephia1]
Dec 04, 2009 (9:31 am)
You've been misinformed. There's absolutely no problem with the gearbox. The automotive press has called it "rubbery", "notchy", "vague", etc., and the shift throw is "too long". B.S. It's fine, especially for a car at this price point. The press too often lose sight of the fact that not every car is expected to comply with Mercedes' and BMW's standards. The clutch coordination, though, does take some getting used to. Even after driving my EX for a week, I still occasionally don't get it right. But like a lot of things in life, "practice makes perfect."
#48 of 72 Re: Just a FYI... [jimpimms]
Dec 18, 2009 (10:54 am)
The press too often lose(s) sight of the fact that not every car is expected to comply with Mercedes' and BMW's standards.
But when Honda gets it right on their economy cars (they've held an industry standard for manual transmissions in their price range for positive shift feel for years), its fair to hold other economy cars to that standard, in my opinion.
You feel one way, a lot of people feel another.
Opinions can differ, but yours isn't any more "right" than those of the press & those who dislike the manual shifter operation in the Forte.
#49 of 72 Re: Just a FYI... [thegraduate]
Dec 20, 2009 (6:40 am)
Honda makes a good gearbox, but where all Asian cars fall down is the clutch design. Generally, all the Asian manufacturers use a cable-actuated clutch, whereas most European cars use a hydraulically-actuated clutch. Once you drive a car with a hydraulically-actuated clutch, the cable-actuated design simply doesn't measure up to the smooth operation of the hydraulically-actuated clutch. The comparison is night and day.
Dec 20, 2009 (11:10 am)
do the Asian manufacturers get this point? Are they going to switch over? I may one day buy another manual-trannied car but don't really want a European car unless it's an Audi. And they're kinda cost-prohibitive, ya know what I mean? I would love it if Hyundai and Kia switched over to the hydraulically-actuated clutch.
Thanks for pointing that fact out, BTW.
#51 of 72 Re: Just a FYI... [thegraduate]
Dec 20, 2009 (6:05 pm)
"You feel one way, a lot of people feel another." I think it's more a case of "some people feel another."
It's not a matter of whether I'm "right". I'm merely expressing my opinion, and you can take what you wish from it, but it's one thing to document one's own experience after actually driving the car, and another to spread unfounded rumors, so my comments regarding the Forte's manual gearbox were primarily to squelch unsubstantiated hearsay. Also bear in mind that not all the press reviews are negative; the ones that are appear mostly in some of the enthusiast magazines, ergo my statement regarding their expectations. And nowhere in any review was there an allegation that "there is some hunting and pecking problem going on while people are trying to shift through the gears."
Never having had the pleasure of driving a Honda Civic with a manual transmission, I can't comment on its quality or sophistication; but after driving manuals from Hyundai--and now Kia--for 7 of the past 11 years, and various Mazdas, Toyotas, and VWs over the preceding 35 years, I haven't had problems with any of them--except for a '79 Subaru, an absolutely abysmal PoS.
That the Honda Civic's manual gearbox achieves a class-leading level of performance is laudable, as is the fact that Honda offers an available 5-speed automatic on all Civic trim levels, something Kia should have done. But the Civic is deficient in other areas, such as braking, power and torque, not to mention specific safety and convenience features available only on the highest trim levels. For example, Electronic Stability Control (Vehicle Stability Assist in Honda-ese) with Traction Control, standard on all Forte trim levels, is available only on the EX-L; Bluetooth and satellite radio, standard on all Forte trims, is available only on the EX or EX-L with Navigation; and you can't even get something as simple as heated outside mirrors on a Civic unless you order the EX-L.
I am more than impressed with the Civic's ride quality, but I despise the dual-level dash and the enormous distance to the windshield. Besides, the Forte has a far richer list of desirable standard features for thousands less. So which is the better car, or more precisely, the better choice? It all boils down to personal preferences and priorities, and ultimately, where one's willing to compromise.
#52 of 72 Re: colloquor... [iluvmysephia1]
Dec 20, 2009 (6:13 pm)
I would love it if Hyundai and Kia switched over to the hydraulically-actuated clutch.
I looked through the shop manual listings on www.hmaservice.com and looked through the clutch specs on the current Hyundai models. They all show that the clutch is hydraulic-actuated, not a cable to be found.