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Suzuki Kizashi, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#59 of 227 Re: Well... [iluvmysephia1]
Apr 22, 2010 (6:30 pm)
Um...excuse me, but no one here that I have seen has "lambashed" you (or lambasted you). I for one do like your enthusiasm, and if not for you, this thread would be awfully silent.
At the same time, you must understand that lots of people (including the majority of mid-size buyers out there) do not see it the way you do. I think the Kizashi is a good value, but it is arguable whether it is the "best" value. So far, none of the auto magazines (even while praising it) see it as the very best either. This is a very subjective thing. Your opinion is valid and it is great you are so enthused about it. But to expect others to see it your way, when the car doesn't meet their needs as well as it does yours, is perhaps going a bit too far in your enthusiasm.
I don't see for example the 2011 Sonata as being the be-all, end-all of the discussion either. But at the same time, with its 200 hp, full-size interior, specially hardened pistons, 35 mpg highway figure, heated and cooled seats available, 274 hp version available (twin scroll turbochargers generally used on much more expensive engines), it is very competitive...in other words, its got some street cred.
Is it for you? Sounds like not. But it is meeting the needs of a lot of folks and sales are skyrocketing. It is no more expensive than the Kizashi, comparably equipped. So it comes down to personal preference. as well as other factors (resale and overall satisfaction). I think Suzuki has a good start, but still a ways to go to be competitive in this market. And I say that as a Suzuki owner and long-time admirer.
Apr 23, 2010 (12:04 pm)
enlighten me, please. Is the 2011 Hyundai Sonata even offered in 5-speed or 6-speed manual form?
Know this, too. I only have 152 horses in my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. I don't need twin turbos. Then again, if someone else does, good for them.
I did go overboard, but, when I like something I go 186 mph balls-to-the-proverbial wall for it.
When I work as a Respiratory Therapist, I don't just do the bare minimum. If I have the patient for more than, say, 3 days, I get to know them. I ask them about theirselves. I befriend them. This pays dividends to me later, because they tell other people about my care for them.
Back to my Lancer GTS. It has more than enough power. The 2011 Suzuki Kizashi 6-speed manual has 185 horses within a 2.4L 4-banger. That will be more than enough for me.
I totally agree with your post above and thank you for your support.
As Jason Isbell of The Drive-By Truckers belts out in their tune 'Never Gonna Change', "We ain't never gonna change, we ain't doin' nuthin' wrong!"
If it ain't broke don't fix it. I realize that I can't bring everyone over to my side, gregg vw. I will say this, it's awfully nice being over on my side.
And on the side of both Mitsubishi Motors of Japan and Suzuki Motors of Japan. I don't even think I need Kia Motors of South Korea any more. And that, ladies and dirty dirty germs, is a change.
2011 Suzuki Kizashi Sport GTS in Vivid Red
#61 of 227 Re: gregg vw... [iluvmysephia1]
Apr 23, 2010 (12:39 pm)
Of course you don't need Kia. But you are abandoning them just as they are getting really really good.
BTW, the 2011 Sonata with a 2.4 liter is available with a 6 speed manual transmission. This, even though there is little call anymore for stick transmissions here. Thus, most manufacturers are selling fewer of them. And it makes sense. The new continuously variable transmissions and the double clutch manuals that can be shifted automatically (like VW and Audi offer, among others) both accelerate about as well as a stick, and as a bonus, tend to offer slightly better mpg. In this way, they are superior to many 6 speed automatics. And of course 7 speed and 8 speed transmissions are available now in some luxury cars and will work their way down to more plebeian rides. All forms of automatic shifting tend to be more durable now than manual shifting units. So, the human operated clutch is just going to get more scarce. I like shifting for myself, but I also know that things change.
Anyway, get your Kizashi. Suzuki needs the business and enthusiasm. I haven't (as I have said before) ruled it out. But for me my next ride will not be easy to choose. There is so much good out there now. And that 2011 Kia Optima not only looks be well-engineered, but it is really pretty in a classy sort of way. I like the looks of the Kizashi too, but find it a bit derivative of the last two iterations of the Jetta. Good direction for them though, as Suzuki is likely to be VW's next takeover, after they finish acquiring Porsche fully. As a manufacturer, VW already has the widest array of brands (VW, Skoda, SEAT, Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini, Bugatti). Suzuki will get them a much better foothold in India.
Apr 23, 2010 (1:14 pm)
if I'm not mistaken VW already owns 20% of Suzuki as I type this pup out. So, they're already in like flint.
Yep, VW will take the small kei-class car prowess of Suzuki and it will pay dividends for them wherever people are looking for small values in cars like Suzuki creates.
I just grow fonder and fonder of Suzuki as a carmaker everyday. My old boss is Willcox drives a Tracker, sold by Chevy but made by Suzuki. He said it is rock solid and runs great, it's about 10 years old.
Yeah, after we get moved and I start my new Respiratory Therapy job in Nevada, and have had a chance ta take one of our Edmunds hosts, steve, out for a coffee and cookies, I'll no doubt order me up a 2011 Suzuki Kizashi Sport GTS in 6-speeds and either Platinum Metallic Silver, Vivid Red or White Water Pearl in color.
Oh, one other thing. Did you know that that very Suzuki will only run me about $22,799 before tax and license? Someone over in the Midsize Sedans 2.0 thread was quoting $26,000 and $27,000 prices for Kizashi's over there. Please people, do your homework before spouting out injustices like that. $23,000 is a lot less than $27,000 and it means a lot ta me when car shopping. For goodness sakes.
2011 Suzuki Kizashi Sport GTS
I'm strongly considering getting a white Kizashi, pictured here. Suzuki calls it White Water Pearl. This would be my 3rd white car. I owned a '66 Ford Fairlane in white, and a 1986 Mercury Lynx SW in white. The Lynx SW had red pinstriping, too.
That 2011 Suzuki Kizashi Sport GTS just rocks in white, man. Crikey, I even like that chrome door moulding going at an angle up from the front to the back! I'm in love again! It's such an exciting feeling!
Apr 23, 2010 (1:37 pm)
lookie what I found, man.
West Valley Suzuki
3146 West 3500 South
West Valley City, UT 84119
E-mail Suggested Starting Price: $22,849*
Get a Quote
Click here for a map
Distance: 199.0 miles
That is the closer one ta Elko, NV, where we're moving in a few weeks. Then there's this one.
Doug Smith Suzuki
501 W Main St
American Fork, UT 84003
E-mail Suggested Starting Price: $22,849*
Get a Quote
Click here for a map
Distance: 209.9 miles
Those distances are like a spit in to the wind in Nevada. Note that they're both Vivid Red (my current front-running color for a 2010 Suzuki Kizashi GTS or a 2011 Suzuki Kizashi Sport GTS...I'd pay $22,849 for either of them) and they're both manual trannies.
I just sent for a "quick-quote" to three dealers. Let's see who wants ta sell me a car the most.
BTW-one can't get a 2010 Suzuki Kizashi GTS in White Water Pearl. It's apparently against Suzuki's rules. I just built my 2010 Suzuki Kizashi GTS just the way I want it on Suzuki's USA website. And the White Water Pearl color can't be chosen. Just the color I want, Vivid Red, Platinum Silver Metallic, Black Pearl Metallic and Azure Grey Metallic.
#64 of 227 Just a Warning
Apr 25, 2010 (8:07 pm)
I have had my SLS AWD Kizashi for less that 2 months and this is what has happened...
And there is even more damage than that. The Rockford Fosgate system is great BUT there is a Technical Service Bulletin out right now that says the amp is defective. My sound goes up and down randomly. That's another problem, the Technical Service Bulletin's are almost impossible to get if you're not the dealer. Satellite radio does not come standard...the button is there...but the system is more money (and quite a bit more) Besides these issues, it is a great car. I'm a geek and love the USB port and bluetooth. It would've been a perfect car except for these problems. Suzuki says it's not a "known issue" and will do nothing about the paint. Just saying...make sure to check the paint before you buy it. I know I wouldn't have bought the car if I knew this stuff. I told Suzuki my only retribution was to inform the public. They're not standing behing their work.
Apr 29, 2010 (1:56 pm)
wow, that is indeed upsetting. Sorry to hear of this bad news about the paint you experienced with your Kizashi. Can you re-post the bad news about the Rockford Fosgate stereo? It doesn't show up in the above post because your picture is a tad too big. Hope you get better support from your Suzuki dealer in the near future.
I have decided to just sit tight and enjoy our 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. It has everything my wife and I need and I really love it's bodystyle more than the 2010-2011 Suzuki Kizashi's bodystyle.
I do think that engineering-wise the new Kizashi for 2010 and the 2011 Kizashi Sport will stand the test of time and be safe, reliable, beautiful cars to own and operate.
I remain very interested and the 2010 Suzuki Kizashi is my 2nd favorite rig on the market right now.
#66 of 227 Not everything is all goodness and light
Apr 30, 2010 (11:22 am)
The honeymoon period is over for me. Since the paint chip issue emerged for some Kizashi owners, I have stopped recommending the Kizashi to anyone. I was one of the Kizashi's biggest fans, posting incredibly positive reviews at edmunds.com, cars.com, vehix.com, kbb.com, etc. I will no longer be comparing it to my beloved C-Class Mercedes. Mercedes customer service (or Audi or Acura) would be doing back flips to get any and all new car issues corrected to the customer's satisfaction. Now, I realize that Suzuki is just a budget car company....and that this might be like comparing apples to green beans...but still, Suzuki has everything riding on Kizashi's success. Common sense would dictate that Suzuki would be more pro-active in making Kizashi owners just a little bit more happy than it has thus far.
Suzuki corporate culture must be identical to Toyota. Ignore all problems at all costs. Customers are always wrong. Oh, the arrogance! If Suzuki ever plans to play with the big boys in the US, it had better get its act together in regards to customer service. Word gets around very fast if customers are treated well, or otherwise.
#67 of 227 Re: Not everything is all goodness and light [stapletondoc]
Apr 30, 2010 (2:03 pm)
I think Toyota, if slow with initial response to unintended acceleration, has been bending over backwards trying to address the many problems that have surfaced. The Lexus model for example, was immediately pulled off the market, and a fix is already in place. When Consumer Reports slammed an earlier Suzuki model, Suzuki did nothing to modify the vehicle. Although I like the Kizashi, there are good reasons that Suzuki isn't even an also-ran here in the United States. My SX4 also appears to have paint that does not hold up well on the hood and frontal area.
#68 of 227 Re: Not everything is all goodness and light [stapletondoc]
Apr 30, 2010 (9:10 pm)
Suzuki is a bit player in the North American car industry, at most. Notwithstanding the salutary features of the Kizashi and in additional consideration of the crappy paint on the car, the non-existent dealer network for this brand easily relegates it to the status of an also-ran. Too bad. I had an initial interest in the Kizashi but upon learning of the cheapness of the car, as exemplified by the paint, and the very poor dealer network, I came to my senses.