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#1 of 7 Remove Event Data Recorder by david73034 Aug 02, 2009 (2:03 am)
I am not paranoid. Last month I read an article that insurance companies are considering requiring access to these devices when issuing policies.   I have a 2001 Crown Victoria. First I purchased a complete service manual and could find no location specified for the event data recorder.   Next, I located the service port for the diagnostic computer connection, under the dash to the upper right of the gas pedal. As you follow the wires into the dash you will notice a "Y" connection. the wires to the left go to many connections, while the wires to the right deadend in a black plastic box (4x6x2"). This is the event data recorder.   DO NOT BELIEVE ALL THE SCARE STORIES ABOUT DISCONNECTING THE AIR BAGS IF YOU REMOVE THE BOX. All that happened was the windshield wipers would not work! so, I rewired them.   In addition, I relocated the plug-in ( which was hidden behind the ashtray near the firewall) so that I could reconnect the box if necessary. All I did was move the multiprong connection so it was next to the diagnostic connection.   It is my understanding that these event data recorders are mandated on all cars made from 2001 on.   Congress made it illegal for a dealership to disconnect or remove these devices. However, owners may still disable or remove them. Replies to this message: kyfdx (Aug 02, 2009 10:00 am) david73034 (Aug 17, 2009 1:20 am) euphonium (Aug 17, 2009 9:44 am) bohmanski (Sep 09, 2009 8:29 pm)
#2 of 7 Re: Remove Event Data Recorder [david73034] by kyfdx HOST Aug 02, 2009 (10:00 am)
Replying to: david73034 (Aug 02, 2009 2:03 am) I guess my question would be: Why does it worry you?   regards, kyfdx visiting host Replies to this message: david73034 (Aug 17, 2009 1:20 am)
#3 of 7 Why it should worry you. by david73034 Aug 17, 2009 (1:20 am)
Replying to: kyfdx (Aug 02, 2009 10:00 am) The even data recorder information has already been used in courts to convict people. Also NHTSA has stated 4th amendment protections are not violated when police take the recorders or download them at accidnet scenes.
#4 of 7 Location of Event Data Recorders in GM Hummer, Isuzu, Saab, Saturn models w by david73034 Aug 17, 2009 (1:23 am)
GM SDM / EDR / airbag / DERM / Black Box module location listed by year and model including Hummer, Isuzu, Saab, Saturn models with GM based air bag systems.   Vetronix (Bosch) makes software to read the data recorder and published this list of locations of the event data recorders in various cars/   General Motors: 1994   Buick Commercial -LF side under dash   Buick Roadmaster -LF side under dash   Cadillac Commercial -LF side under dash   Cadillac Fleetwood -Call   Chevrolet Caprice -LF side under dash   Chevrolet Commercial -LF side under dash   Pontiac Grand Prix -Under RF seat   General Motors: 1995   Buick Commercial -LF side under dash   Buick Le Sabre -Under RF seat   Buick Park Avenue -Under RF seat   Buick Regal -Under RF seat   Buick Roadmaster -LF side under dash   Cadillac Commercial -LF side under dash   Cadillac Concours -Under LF seat   Cadillac Deville -Under LF seat   Cadillac Eldorado -Under LF seat   Cadillac Fleetwood -LF side under dash   Cadillac Seville -Under LF seat Crash rating   Chevrolet Caprice -LF side under dash   Chevrolet Impala -LF side under dash   Chevrolet Lumina -Under RF seat   Chevrolet Metro -Under center console   Chevrolet Monte Carlo -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Eighty Eight -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Ninety Eight -Under RF seat   Pontiac Bonneville -Under RF seat   Pontiac Grand Prix -Under RF seat   Pontiac Firefly -Under center console   Saturn All Models -Under center console Crash rating   General Motors: 1996   Buick Commercial -LF side under dash   Buick Le Sabre -Under RF seat   Buick Park Avenue -Under RF seat   Buick Regal -Under RF seat   Buick Riviera -Under RF seat   Buick Roadmaster -LF side under dash   Buick Skylark -Under RF seat   Cadillac Commercial -LF side under dash   Cadillac Concours -Under LF seat   Cadillac Deville -Under LF seat   Cadillac Eldorado -Under LF seat   Cadillac Fleetwood -LF side under dash   Cadillac Seville -Under LF seat Crash rating   Chevrolet Astro -Under LF seat   Chevrolet Camaro -Under center console   Chevrolet Caprice -LF side under dash   Chevrolet Cavalier -Under RF seat Crash rating   Chevrolet Express -Under LF seat   Chevrolet Impala -LF side under dash   Chevrolet Lumina -Under RF seat   Chevrolet Metro -Call- Under center console   Chevrolet Monte Carlo -Under RF seat   Geo Tracker -Call- Under center console   GMC Safari -Under LF seat   GMC Savana -Under LF seat   Oldsmobile Achieva -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Aurora -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Eighty Eight -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Ninety Eight -Under RF seat   Pontiac Bonneville -Under RF seat   Pontiac Firebird -Under center console   Pontiac Firefly -Call-Under center console   Pontiac Grand AM -Under RF seat   Pontiac Grand Prix -Under RF seat   Pontiac Sunfire -Under RF seat Crash rating   Saturn All models -Under center console Crash rating   General Motors: 1997   Buick Century -Under RF seat Crash rating   Buick LeSabre -Under RF seat   Buick Park Avenue -Under RF seat   Buick Regal -Under RF seat Crash rating   Buick Riviera -Under RF seat   Buick Skylark -Under RF seat   Cadillac Commercial -Under LF seat   Cadillac Concours -Under LF seat   Cadillac Deville -Under LF seat   Cadillac Eldorado -Under LF seat   Cadillac Seville -Under LF seat Crash rating   Chevrolet Astro -Under LF seat   Chevrolet Camaro -Under center console   Chevrolet Cavalier -Under RF seat Crash rating   Chevrolet Corvette -Behind accessory trim plate,   under heater and AC control   Chevrolet Express -Under LF seat   Chevrolet Lumina -Under RF seat   Chevrolet Malibu -Under RF seat   Chevrolet Metro -Call-Under center console   Chevrolet Monte Carlo -Under RF seat   Chevrolet Silverado -Under LF seat   Chevrolet Suburban -Under LF seat   Chevrolet Tahoe -Under LF seat   Chevrolet Venture -Call-Under RF seat Crash rating   Geo Tracker -Call-Under center console   GMC Safari -Under LF seat   GMC Savana -Under LF seat   GMC Sierra -Under LF seat   GMC Suburban -Under LF seat   GMC Yukon -Under LF seat   Oldsmobile Achieva -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Aurora -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Eighty Eight -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Regency -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Silhouette -Under RF seat Crash rating   Pontiac Bonneville -Under RF seat   Pontiac Firebird -Under center console   Pontiac Firefly -Call-Under center console   Pontiac Grand AM -Under RF seat   Pontiac Grand Prix -Under RF seat Crash rating   Pontiac Sunfire -Under RF seat Crash rating   Pontiac Trans Sport -Under RF seat Crash rating   Saturn All models -Under center console Crash rating   General Motors: 1998   Buick Century -Under RF seat Crash rating   Buick LeSabre -Under RF seat   Buick Park Avenue -Under RF seat   Buick Regal -Under RF seat Crash rating   Buick Riviera -Under RF seat   Buick Skylark -Under RF seat   Cadillac Commercial -Under LF seat   Cadillac Deville -Under LF seat   Cadillac Eldorado -Under RF seat   Cadillac Seville -Under RF seat   Chevrolet Astro -Under LF seat   Chevrolet Blazer -Under center console   Chevrolet Camaro -Under center console   Chevrolet Cavalier -Under RF seat Crash rating   Chevrolet Corvette -Behind accessory trim plate,   under heater and AC control   Chevrolet Express -Under LF seat   Chevrolet Lumina -Under RF seat   Chevrolet Malibu -Under RF seat   Chevrolet Metro -Call-Under center console   Chevrolet Monte Carlo -Under RF seat   Chevrolet S10 -Under center console   Chevrolet S10 electric -Under center console   Chevrolet Silverado -Under LF seat   Chevrolet Suburban -Under LF seat   Chevrolet Tahoe -Under LF seat   Chevrolet Tracker -Call-Under center console   Chevrolet Venture -Call-Under RF seat Crash rating   GMC Jimmy -Under center console   GMC Safari -Under LF seat   GMC Savana -Under LF seat   GMC Sierra -Under LF seat   GMC Sonoma -Under center console   GMC Suburban -Under LF seat   GMC Yukon -Under LF seat   Oldsmobile Achieva -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Aurora -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Bravada -Under center console   Oldsmobile Cutlass -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Eighty Eight -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Intrigue -Under RF seat Crash rating   Oldsmobile Regency -Under RF seat   Oldsmobile Silhouette -Call-Under RF seat Crash rating   Pontiac Bonneville -Under RF seat   Pontiac Firebird -Under center console   Pontiac Firefly -Call-Under center console   Pontiac Grand AM -Under RF seat   Pontiac Grand Prix -Under RF seat Crash rating   Pontiac Sunfire -Under RF seat Crash ratin
#5 of 7 Re: Remove Event Data Recorder [david73034] by euphonium Aug 17, 2009 (9:44 am)
Replying to: david73034 (Aug 02, 2009 2:03 am) Law enforcements need all the help available for their pursuit of negative people.
#6 of 7 Re: Remove Event Data Recorder [david73034] by bohmanski Sep 09, 2009 (8:29 pm)
Replying to: david73034 (Aug 02, 2009 2:03 am) Well, in my opinion, you are bogus! If you blew past a stop sign, and broadsided me, then claimed you DID stop, I would want the info from the EDR. By removing the EDR, you are trying to hide something, and that’s bogus. If you’re an honest person, you would have nothing to hide. Get lost, prick.
#7 of 7 Count Me In on Not Wanting Them by jsylvester Nov 04, 2009 (3:59 pm)
I would remove it as well. It will only be used by Big Brother to keep an eye on you. The trouble is I don't think the Grand Marquis or Crown Vic has one.   It will come a time when they will be used to tax you for mileage driven. Of course don't count on a reduction in the gas tax - they have a socialist utopia to build.

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