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2010 Subaru Outback First Drive - First Impressions: Larger in all the dimensions that enhance rear passenger comfort and cargo capacity, but no more turbo kills the fun.(more)
#13 of 52 Re: I like it but... [rsholland]
Jul 31, 2009 (10:01 am)
I wish they had gone a bit further towards the SUV end
If they offered a Legacy wagon, even more so.
Once again you gotta wonder if there is too much overlap in Subaru's products. Here we are and the top competitor for the new Outback is...a Forester?
They should have differentiated it more. Your suggestions would address that.
Basically the 2010 Outback is closer to the new Forester than the old Outback was. More overlap, more cannibalization.
Jul 31, 2009 (10:40 am)
Out of curiousity, I wonder what makes the MPG meter in the dash "silly" as the photo caption states? One (or Subaru) might think it useful in these fuel-conscious times?
#15 of 52 If I wanted an SUV, I'd buy one.
Jul 31, 2009 (11:27 am)
I have 2 5speed, Outback XTs ('05 and '08). The author hit it mostly on the head of what it needed in a bigger back seat and iPod interface (could use better brakes, clutch and a 6speed manual) and what do they do? Pork the dang thing up and drop the turbo. Do they even offer a stick anymore? What a waste of a market niche.
Any word on the turbodiesel coming to the US? The lease on my 08 is up in 18 months. Guess i will look elsewhere for a replacement. Maybe VW will have put a TDI in their Passat 4motion wagon by then or maybe i'll buy a real SUV.
Subaru, I'm your target buyer and I'm here to tell you that your marketing guys are a bunch of tards.
#16 of 52 Re: If I wanted an SUV, I'd buy one. [festus67]
Jul 31, 2009 (12:14 pm)
The author hit it mostly on the head of what it needed in a bigger back seat and iPod interface (could use better brakes, clutch and a 6speed manual) and what do they do? Pork the dang thing up and drop the turbo. Do they even offer a stick anymore? What a waste of a market niche.
The 2.5i offers a 6 spd MT in the Base and Premium models; Limited is CVT only.
The 3.6R is 5 spd AT only.
Jul 31, 2009 (1:51 pm)
is it instead just a downsize Subaru Forester?
??? Outback is higher up the model line than Forester, and is larger. However, for '10, there seem to be numerous styling cues in Outback that emulate Forester.
steering wheel felt completely isolated from the road
That appears to be the compromise for making the steering feel good on rough roads, which Subaru appears to have spent a lot of effort towards.
What is always interesting about these reviews is the "we wanna track car" hints that creep in. Subaru seems to take customer feedback very seriously, and their choices reflect the customer comments. Drivers wanting more of a track car feel have the Legacy, WRX and STI to choose.
However, despite the apparently well designed CVT, the 2.5 Outback appears underpowered for hilly areas. It's a pity that Subaru has not been able to come up with a revised natural aspirated 4 cylinder boxer that can at least hit 200 hp.
As for no moreTurbo Outback, if Subaru sold so few of them, it's no surprise that it, like the manual shifting Forester XT, has gone away. And frankly, the Outback XT was a pain to drive in city traffic due to the on-off nature of its turbo.
One cheapness Edmunds missed, though, is Outback no longer has folding outside mirrors.
#18 of 52 Re: comment on article [kurtamaxxxguy]
Jul 31, 2009 (4:14 pm)
Pass, bring back the GT Wagon. There are enough driver numbing vehicles like this on the highway already.
#19 of 52 Re: comment on article [kurtamaxxxguy]
Jul 31, 2009 (7:59 pm)
And I have not forgiven them for previously eliminating the weather band radio on the cold weather package. It is useful and could save your life in emergencies. In 2010 they also eliminated one seat back storage retainer net on rear of driver's side(?). Why do they eliminate good ideas to save a few bucks?.
#20 of 52 Re: comment on article [surrfurtom]
Aug 01, 2009 (5:49 am)
In 2010 they also eliminated one seat back storage retainer net on rear of driver's side(?).
Didn't they go from 2 to 1 with the current (05-09) generation?
Aug 01, 2009 (6:06 am)
This article is horrible. Looking at all of the other review of the 2010 Outback, this one offers less info and too much of an obsession with the SUV angle. Calling it an SUV misses a huge point - the Outbacks mileage is better than any SUV except the Escape Hybrid. The 22/29 milege soundly beats the Versa (18/25) that the Inside Line is obsessed with. Heck, it is now much bigger and has better mileage than the Passat wagon (19/28)
Everything but the inside line articel points to the Outback as still a wagon, maybe a CUV. This is not an SUV
#22 of 52 Re: comment on article [surrfurtom]
Aug 01, 2009 (2:54 pm)
Whichever new Subie I spring for - OB or Forester - I'm seriously thinking of taking the 6 CD player/tape deck/AM-FM-WB from my '03 Forester with me! Any reason to think that it might not be a good fit with either?