Last post on Sep 04, 2010 at 7:55 AM
You are in the Toyota Corolla
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Toyota Corolla, Kia Forte, Sedan
#31 of 59 Re: Maintenance costs Forte vs Corolla? [terceltom]
Jan 22, 2010 (4:31 pm)
Uh, I have owned 3 Toyotas and now own a Kia (not a Forte, though I'm considering one) and there is no way I'd ever buy another Toyota. They've don't make the car they used to when I first bought one in 1975, 1986, or 1993. And neither does KIA - they are starting to leave the Japanese companies in the dust - for the MOST part - not ALL models, but you are mistaken if you think they make crappy cars.
#32 of 59 Re: Maintenance costs Forte vs Corolla? [irritatrix]
Jan 22, 2010 (8:35 pm)
Oh no, I respect your oppinion. I just don't think you can even mention Kia in the same league as the Toyota. The Toyota being steps above the Kia. But, that's just anothers oppinion.
#33 of 59 Re: Maintenance costs Forte vs Corolla? [terceltom]
Jan 23, 2010 (3:46 am)
Toyota definitely leads Kia in one area lately: recalls.
#34 of 59 Re: Maintenance costs Forte vs Corolla? [backy]
Jan 23, 2010 (9:36 am)
Not so ! ! ! Consumer reports has rated that Toyota vehicles have been on the safest car list seven times out of all classes of vehicles for the year of 2009. Kia on the other hand has made the list only two times. Who's leading in that field ? ? ? Backy you usually don't miss things like that, how did that slip by you ? ? ?
#35 of 59 Re: Maintenance costs Forte vs Corolla? [terceltom]
Jan 23, 2010 (10:03 am)
maybe so, but there is some serious flaws happening, that did not happen in the past - 4.2 million vehicles recalled last fall and 2.3 more just a couple of days ago. The largest ever in North America!
Also check out this journalist comments from his visit to the Detroit Auto Show
part of the comments "Now in the midst of a relentless series of recalls, that olí Toyota quality magic has been blown to smithereens, and their reputation is in tatters. And amazingly enough consumers have quickly gotten the message that there are other automakers out there delivering the kind of quality numbers that used to be exclusively associated with Toyota."
Consumer reports reliability is spread over time, so it will be interested to see the results in the next year or two. All I know is that my KIA is very reliable.
#36 of 59 Re: Maintenance costs Forte vs Corolla? [terceltom]
Jan 23, 2010 (11:36 am)
You are equating recalls with overall safety. I was talking about recalls. How did that slip by YOU?
Face it, Toyota quality has slipped big time from its heyday in the '80s and '90s. When you have professional reviewers like C/D saying that the interior fit/finish of a Kia Optima is better than that of the Camry, or when Consumer Reports ranks a Kia ahead of the Camry, that should be a wake-up call for Toyota and those who think Toyota is far ahead of the likes of Kia.
Although not perfect, at least Kia seems capable of designing cars that accelerate only when you want them to.
Jan 23, 2010 (5:17 pm)
I think generally toyota corolla and Honda civic (i own one) are good cars. But i don't think they are as good as before. Hyundai and Mazda are making better cars (check 2010Mazda 3). Just check out all the complaints about civic & corolla http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/
In summary, the corollas have been hit with steering complaints and the civic (2006-2007) models hit with cracked engine blocks yikes
#38 of 59 Oh and this just in...
Jan 23, 2010 (10:04 pm)
I never really believed Consumer Reports would report like backy mentioned here.
When you have professional reviewers like C/D saying that the interior fit/finish of a Kia Optima is better than that of the Camry, or when Consumer Reports ranks a Kia ahead of the Camry, that should be a wake-up call for Toyota and those who think Toyota is far ahead of the likes of Kia.
I would really think twice about even considering buying a Toyota at this point in time. OTOH-both Kia and Hyundai are building safe and sane rigs that are just gorgeous to gaze upon. But so is Mitsubishi, and I know, I digress. But IMHO Toyota is slipping large-time right now.
Their problems are beyond just being a "wake-up call" in my opinion.
#39 of 59 Re: Maintenance costs Forte vs Corolla? [backy]
Jan 25, 2010 (5:27 pm)
Now come on ! ! ! You stated "Toyota leads Kia in one catagory", my point is to correct you, Toyota leads Kia in at least two catagories, one being SAFETY !
#40 of 59 Re: Maintenance costs Forte vs Corolla? [terceltom]
Jan 25, 2010 (7:54 pm)
I think it's hard to justify a claim of Toyota leading ANYONE in safety with millions of its cars, including the 2010 Corolla, recalled for a safety-related defect. Toyota can't even claim a single vehicle as an IIHS Top Safety Pick. Kia at least has one, the Soul. The Forte hasn't been tested by the IIHS yet.
How is the 2010 Corolla superior to the Forte in safety?