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#7 of 24 Re: Article Comments - 2010 Ford Flex With EcoBoost First Drive [thegraduate]
Jul 20, 2009 (9:56 pm)
"...the Flex Turbo is a luxury vehicle..."
Methinks not even Ford would make that claim...!!
They probably wouldn't even dare put a Mercury marque on a "flex" let alone a lincoln one.
"...(power being a luxury)..."
Not "power" alone, NEVER...!!
Or do you mean it's a luxury to be able to afford to fuel a GAS GUZZLER...??
And think about this: Ford could have downsized the 3.5L to a 3.0L w/DFI and likely maintained the HP of the 3.5L but with much improved FE.
EcoBoost my FOOT...!!
#9 of 24 The END or CAFE...!!
Jul 25, 2009 (3:43 pm)
First, substantially raise the federal tax on public roadway use fuels. Then advise ALL manufacturers that they must provide a custom engine firmware control REFLASH at the request of the owner/buyer.
The reflash would be designed to LIMIT the 0-60MPH time to something reasonable considering the weight of the vehicle. The heavier the vehicle the longer it would take to accelerate from a stop to 60MPH, regardless of actual engine HP. Passing HP, say from 35MPH and up, and subsequent to a period of cruise, would NOT be throttled.
Many modern FWD or F/awd vehicles are already doing this, limiting engine torque in the low gear ranges, as a safety matter.
A rebate program would reward those who volunteerily had the reflash done by the dealer.
Vehicles that already met the new 0-60MPH standard would automatically be eligble for the rebate program. My '93 Ford Ranger PU w/I4/stick for instance.
Aug 22, 2009 (4:16 pm)
I don't know who you are, wwest, but the majority of Americans don't give a dam* about saving the environment...they want to pay less for filling the tank AND have as much torque and HP as possible...Ford did this with Ecoboost.
#11 of 24 Re: Be real [aohurst]
Sep 01, 2009 (8:06 am)
"....the majority of Americans..." "as much torque and HP as possible"
Then why would the CLEAR majority of vehicles sold today be FWD or F/awd....???
With FWD or F/awd the engine must be dethrottled the INSTANT there is even the slightest indication that TOO MUCH torque or HP is being applied. In point of fact many of these FWD with extraordinary torque/HP levels automatically detune/derate the engine in the lower gear ranges in order to increase their operational safety factor.
No, it's only those with the "boy-racer" mentality that want as much torque/HP as possible.
#12 of 24 Ford is in business...
Sep 11, 2009 (6:04 pm)
WITHOUT government bailouts, to supply what the public wants. If they don't want Ecoboost, then they won't buy it and the technology won't proceed.
The Flex is designed as a multipurpose vehicle, including towing capabilities, that require torque and HP. I think Ford is doing fine by providing more of both with a smaller engine. The proper comparison is with a larger engine that would provide similar performance.
I can't believe some of these posts got by, they are so far off topic, and they don't really provide any discussion of EcoTech at all, just criticisms.
#13 of 24 Re: Ford is in business... [stevedebi]
Sep 12, 2009 (10:16 am)
The point of embarrassment for Ford, IMMHO, is the fact that they didn't bother to adapt the standard V6 ("..smaller engine..") to DFI. But then to have done so would have put the lie to the entire EcoBoost (TwinForce) SHAM marketing program.
It should be pretty clear that with the "standard" V6 adapted to DFI it's EPA FE ratings would exceed (20%..??) the DFI/Turbocharged TwinForce 355HP engine.
Notice the S..H..O, is now the "sho(w)". No mention is made of "Super High Output" as was done with the original, not exactly PC these days. Stealth marketing of GAS GUZZLERS.
#14 of 24 Re: Be real [wwest]
Sep 12, 2009 (12:30 pm)
Sorry, I doubt at age 43 I am "boy racer."
You are delusional.
The FWD cars on the road today were bought because that's ALL the manufacturers were building...other than the G8, name a family-sized RWD sedan that's affordable for the average American?
If they are built and priced right, Americans will buy them in mass.
#15 of 24 Re: Be real [aohurst]
by kcram HOST
Sep 12, 2009 (5:13 pm)
.other than the G8, name a family-sized RWD sedan that's affordable for the average American?
Mercury Grand Marquis, body on frame, can tow, seats 6 honest adults, starts at $29,500...
kcram - Pickups/Wagons Host
#16 of 24 Re: Be real [aohurst]
Sep 13, 2009 (5:17 am)
How about the Dodge Charger and Chrysler 300? In V6 trim they are affordable.