Article Comments- 2010 Lexus HS 250h Full Test

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2010 Lexus HS 250h Full Test and Video - Bottom Line: Drives like a Lexus, only it happens to be a hybrid.(more)

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#15 of 67 Re: Worth Thousands More than Camry Hybrid? [akt1000] by edwardsf Aug 06, 2009 (12:29 pm)
Replying to: akt1000 (Aug 05, 2009 9:11 am) Have you driven the two cars? Have you driven either? I ask because it seems very common in car forums to equate similar sized cars from the same auto company, e.g. Altima - G37, Passat - A4, Accord - TSX. None of these cars has the same platform or drivetrain or suspension system. Some share the same engine but it is calibrated differently. I have driven all six above cars and the luxury versions: handle much more tautly, have more supple suspension, are quieter, have a much more ergonomic and high quality interior, and look much better. To people who don't drive the cars, this is all unimportant detail. To those of us who actually test drive and buy the cars, it is extremely important. What dismays me about this car is the soft Lexus suspension. If you do pay $35k for a sport luxury car, it should be fun to drive. Gimme an Audi A4 TDI Allroad please! Replies to this message: akt1000 (Aug 06, 2009 4:08 pm) dat2 (Aug 07, 2009 11:09 am)
#16 of 67 Re: Worth Thousands More than Camry Hybrid? [edwardsf] by akt1000 Aug 06, 2009 (4:08 pm)
Replying to: edwardsf (Aug 06, 2009 12:29 pm) I am not saying that Lexus 250h can't be worth more money than a similarly-equipped Toyota Camry, provided it drives better or the ride is better etc. I haven't driven Lexus 250h, but the reviewer had. After pointing out the similarity to Toyota Camry Hybrid, he didn't say a single word about the differences in the two cars in terms of driving the two (they have the same drivetrain). I would have liked to read about the real differences between driving the two cars. Also, if there are some important (to the car buyer) options available on one car and not the other, then that can be a big swinger in making the decision on which car to buy. But the fact remains that almost all the standard features on the Lexus 250h are available for about $4500 less on the Toyota Camry Hybrid, Of course, for that lower price, Camry hybrid includes heated seats (important to us), for which Lexus wants one to buy an expensive Touring package or the Premium car.
#17 of 67 Re: Worth Thousands More than Camry Hybrid? [edwardsf] by dat2 Aug 07, 2009 (11:09 am)
Replying to: edwardsf (Aug 06, 2009 12:29 pm) The Altima and G37 are no relation besides being built by the same manufacturer!!
#18 of 67 Rebadged Scion Tc by dat2 Aug 07, 2009 (11:12 am)
Has anyone mentioned that this car is based on a Scion Tc??? Replies to this message: maximafan (Sep 15, 2009 10:05 pm) bvdj84 (Sep 17, 2009 3:55 pm)
#19 of 67 Re: Sunroof ? ? ? [butchfoote] by ninjaguy Aug 07, 2009 (11:48 pm)
Replying to: butchfoote (Aug 03, 2009 4:02 pm) It is caused by the inverter that converts the dc voltage output by the solar panel to the dc voltage needed to charge the battery. See the following articles at EV World, Scientific American, and BNET. http://evworld.com/insider.cfm?nextedition=200 http://www.scientificamerican.com/slideshow.cfm?id=toyota-prius-hybrid-upgrade&p- - hoto_id=B0C4F1F0-0C45-D8AD-3391F2F73C369583 http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_7468/is_200905/ai_n32330103/ Replies to this message: butchfoote (Aug 19, 2009 2:49 pm)
#20 of 67 They Are Here! by cocopupu Aug 15, 2009 (3:16 pm)
If anyone posting here is truly interested in this car, dealerships in Los Angeles area are getting inventory. There are special preview events at South Bay Lexus and Santa Monica Lexus. Replies to this message: mechrad (Oct 15, 2009 2:27 pm) gagrice (Oct 15, 2009 8:28 pm)
#21 of 67 Doesn't add up for me... by ampeg500 Aug 19, 2009 (8:27 am)
Pushing 40 grand for a fully loaded compact hybrid? Who is going to buy these things? A little more cash will get you a 335d, for Pete's sake. Replies to this message: gagrice (Aug 19, 2009 2:39 pm)
#22 of 67 Re: Doesn't add up for me... [ampeg500] by gagrice Aug 19, 2009 (2:39 pm)
Replying to: ampeg500 (Aug 19, 2009 8:27 am) Or the soon to be delivered Audi A3 TDI that will get well past 42 MPG out on the road. And for thousands less. I imagine the 250H will sell about as well as the other Lexus hybrid sedans.
#23 of 67 Re: Sunroof ? ? ? [ninjaguy] by butchfoote Aug 19, 2009 (2:49 pm)
Replying to: ninjaguy (Aug 07, 2009 11:48 pm) Thanks for the links. As expected it wasn't the solar panels, it is the inverter design that chopped the dc up while changing the voltage to match the batteries. It must be leaking the high frequency chopper noise back up the pipe to the solar arrays, which by an interesting coincidence end up being tuned circuits with frequencies in the cellphone arena. Amazing!
#24 of 67 HS250 vs. Camry hybrid by cammer2 Aug 30, 2009 (11:09 am)
attended a "Ride & Drive" event at our local Lexus dealer this week. Cars to drive included the HS250h, RX450h, IS C 350 .. and I got lucky enough to put my hands on an IS-F (but that's a different animal altogether! :)I As a current owner of an 07 Camry hybrid, I was very curious to see how the HS250h performed. Some pluses over the Camry - 1) The HS has a better "feel" to the car. The steering feels heavier and more substantial. (As a side note - I've driven several new Toyotas in the last year with electronic steering and ALL of them feel better than my 07 - which leads me to believe they've figured out how to make electronic steering feel more "normal" - but I digress ... 2) Interior materials are just better - not a big surprise 3) The car seemed quieter than my Camry - particularly in the back seat. 4) The NAV screen was HUGE. I thought the one in the Camry was large, but this one tops it easily. 5) As noted before - just the availability of more techie options. Areas that seemed a wash between the HS and the Camry - 1) Performance felt pretty much identical (and testing in various mags confirm this). 2) MPG's seemed so close 35/34 vs 34/33 to seem a wash. Areas where I thought the Camry beats the HS: 1) The Camry is just a much bigger car with much more interior space 2) I think the Camry just flat out looks better than the HS (yes, completely subjective) 3) It seemed the Camry's trunk was bigger (although I haven't checked stats), and offers at least a partial pass-thru. 4) Even if you load the Camry up with every option (I did), it's still cheaper than the base price of the HS250h. So - while I liked the car, I didn't see enough improvement (either performance OR fuel economy) to get my out of my Camry. Replies to this message: bvdj84 (Sep 10, 2009 5:19 am) gfr1 (Sep 10, 2009 7:13 pm) akt1000 (Sep 12, 2009 7:51 am)