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Grand Voyager EPA mpg incorrect on wwwfueleconomy.gov for Cash for Clunkers

20 messages,  Last post on Aug 12, 2009 at 5:00 PM

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#1 of 20 Grand Voyager/Caravan mpg wrong on wwwfueleconomy.gov for Cash for Clunkers by pragmatist1

Jun 24, 2009 (7:03 pm)

www.fueleconomy.gov doesn't list the Grand Voyager/Grand Caravan separately from the Voyager/Caravan. This affects whether certain years, such as the 2000, would qualify for Cash for Clunkers. The website lists Voyagers/Caravans as having combined EPA mpg of 19, but the 2000 Grand Voyager/Grand Caravan is a twin of the 2000 Town and Country, and has a combined EPA mpg of 18, so it would qualify, if only the government and Chrysler would get the correct information onto the website! Email them at fueleconomyornl.gov to ask them to make a separate category for 2000 Chrysler Grand Voyager. The 3.3 liter engine has EPA mpg of 16/22 with combined 18, just like its twin, the Town and Country. This would make it worth $4500 as a trade in for a new car!

#2 of 20 Re: Grand Voyager/Caravan mpg wrong on wwwfueleconomy.gov for Cash for Clun by awaw

Jun 26, 2009 (7:50 am)

Replying to: pragmatist1 (Jun 24, 2009 7:03 pm)
We have a 1996 Plymouth Grand Voyager 6 cylinder, 3.3 L
However, the fueleconomy.gov does not have separate categories
for the '96 Basic Voyager and Grand Voyager.
 
Basic: Plymouth Voyager 2WD 6 cyl, 3.3 L, Automatic 4-spd, (FFS), Regular
Grand Voyager: ??

#3 of 20 Re: Grand Voyager/Caravan mpg wrong on wwwfueleconomy.gov for Cash for Clun [awaw] by rpackard

Jun 28, 2009 (8:45 am)

Replying to: awaw (Jun 26, 2009 7:50 am)
I have also done some research and believe the Grand Caravan is classified and a type 1 truck which means you only have to meet the 5 mpg to qualify for the $4500 which is different than the Caravan. I am waiting fro it to be more clear through the dealers, but I have completed the online regsitration for quotes form dealers. I guess we can hope that the dealer incentives will still be there and they won't jack up the price of the cars to equal the incentives!

#4 of 20 Re: Grand Voyager/Caravan mpg wrong on wwwfueleconomy.gov for Cash for Clun [rpackard] by srs_49

Jun 29, 2009 (3:29 am)

Replying to: rpackard (Jun 28, 2009 8:45 am)
I have not looked in the CFC program, not being a position to take advantage of it. But, I would be very surprised of the Caravan and Grand Caravan are classified differently. I think they are both considered "light trucks" for EPA emissions and gas mileage rating purposes.

#5 of 20 Re: Grand Voyager/Caravan mpg wrong on wwwfueleconomy.gov for Cash for Clun [srs_49] by pragmatist1

Jul 10, 2009 (9:21 am)

Replying to: srs_49 (Jun 29, 2009 3:29 am)
The issue is not truck classification. This is an exact twin to the Chrysler Town and Country, which IS eligible, but the Grands are not listed. You need to trade in a vehicle that gets 18 mpg or less for a higher mileage new vehicle. Look at CARS website. Those who own old Grands are going to miss out on this program unless NHTSA corrects its erroneous information.

#6 of 20 Re: Grand Voyager/Caravan mpg wrong on wwwfueleconomy.gov for Cash for Clun [pragmatist1] by cashforclunk

Jul 11, 2009 (9:40 am)

Replying to: pragmatist1 (Jul 10, 2009 9:21 am)
The 2000 base vehicle is also incorrect. 1999 and 2001 have a new combined rating of 18mpg, however the 2000 has 19mpg. I sent email to gov't site, asking for clarification, but I won't hold my breath for an answer.

#7 of 20 Re: Grand Voyager/Caravan mpg wrong on wwwfueleconomy.gov for Cash for Clun [cashforclunk] by pragmatist1

Jul 11, 2009 (3:48 pm)

Replying to: cashforclunk (Jul 11, 2009 9:40 am)
The issue is that they need to list the mpg for the GRAND caravans/GRAND voyagers separately from the voyagers/caravans. The GRANDs have 18 mpg, the voyager/caravans have 19 mpg. Right now they only are listing the voyager/caravans, at 19mpg.

#9 of 20 Re: Grand Voyager/Caravan mpg wrong on wwwfueleconomy.gov for Cash for by jsox99

Jul 27, 2009 (7:17 am)

Agreed. Until they changed I guess Grand Voyager owners are disqualified from participating in CARS. Anyone have a way to contact NHTS?

#10 of 20 Re: Grand Voyager/Caravan mpg wrong on wwwfueleconomy.gov for Cash for [jsox99] by pragmatist1

Jul 27, 2009 (3:35 pm)

Replying to: jsox99 (Jul 27, 2009 7:17 am)
The issue is getting Chrysler to report to the NHTSA the correct mileage for the Grands. We need to find out who at Chrysler is in charge of EPA mileage certification. Considering that this is decade old data, and that many owners of Grands who would take advantage of CARS would buy new Chryslers, I think they might be willing to report the corrected information. Any ideas on how to find the department in charge of mileage certification at Chrysler?

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