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Cash for Clunkers - Does it Work for You?

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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [greanpea68] by dtownfb
Jul 01, 2009 (10:57 am)
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Replying to: greanpea68 (Jul 01, 2009 10:46 am)

"I was just starting tothink about the same thing Volvo.... there is a reason these people drive these vehicles.... mainly they couldn't get approved for a new vehicle loan and were stuck with these vehicles... although the money down may help a little I am sure banks will be very wary of this also..... once again very interesting stuff will be happening"
 
et tu, greenpea. Et tu!
 
here's a question for you guys: Do you think car manufacturers will include their own incentives with this program to sweeten the deal even more? We are getting close to the end of the model year. Will we see cash rebates or special financing along with this program?
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [dtownfb] by greanpea68
Jul 01, 2009 (11:02 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jul 01, 2009 10:57 am)

Do you think car manufacturers will include their own incentives with this program to sweeten the deal even more?
 
Of course maufacturers will offer incentives.... This govt rebate is a third party... so basically nothing has changed except our "taxes"
 
Manufacturers will still continue with incentives becasue the govt cheese doesn't change anything. There is still competition.
 
GP
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [greanpea68] by dtownfb
Jul 01, 2009 (11:10 am)
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Replying to: greanpea68 (Jul 01, 2009 10:55 am)

Big macs and diet Cokes should never be in the same sentence. You ever see the amount of sodium in a Big mac??
 
I believe dealers should make a profit. how else are you going to stay in business? i also see firsthand the good work they do in a community. But I am also the person who doesn't shop for a car unless I am serious about buying and know i can afford the car. I also treat the salesman with respect too which is why my car buying experiences have been pretty good.
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BMW 735i by prodrive
Jul 01, 2009 (11:22 am)
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This (deal) hand-out might work out well for me...
 
I'm driving a BMW 735i, I have been beating it to death for a few years it looks good & runs fine but has no real value..
 
So, I'm thinking of a 4 door Honda Civic SI for around $ 19,500 - 1,250 cash from Honda - 4,500 from the Gov = around 14,000 for a new car.
 
I have to look into this some more, But it could be a good deal for me..
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [kernick] by kdhspyder
Jul 01, 2009 (11:31 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 30, 2009 4:38 pm)

You are probably correct that the vast majority of the drivers of these old clunkers cannot and should not look to trade them for a new vehicle if they can't afford it. The mass market producers like GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, Mazda, etc will benefit the most no doubt because they have the lowest priced vehicles and the most fuel efficient ones as well. No arguments. If BMW, Cadillac, Merc, etc don't want to participate then they don't have to do so.
 
However this program is very limited in scope. 250,000 vehicles per quarter is a drop in the bucket of all the vehicles on the road...it's 0.01%. As a percentage of the BOF trucks and SUVs on the road from 1984 ( ~50 million units ) it's about 0.50%. That's a tiny percentage of vehicles.
 
Even if 'the vast majority' of qualifiers are not up to your standards there are still plenty of very qualified buyers that will jump at the chance to get $4500 for a $500 family heirloom. If you're in the business ignore it at your risk. I'll gladly take any of the riff-raff you decline to do business with.
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [dtownfb] by kdhspyder
Jul 01, 2009 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jul 01, 2009 10:57 am)

The program is not a subsititute for normal marketing efforts by the vehicle makers although at first I thought it might be a big shot in the arm. But at best it'll probably be only a 10% boost.
 
That's not enough to encourage vehicle makers from eliminating incentives. However i wouldn't be surprised if the incentives soon become a thing of the past. Why? Profits.
 
GM, Chrysler and Ford must have profits to survive. Toyota, Honda and the rest don't want to stay stuck in the doldrums forever. Now that the D3 don't have the pressures of massive fixed cost debt hanging over their heads they can adjust production to inventory and sales. Before the D3 had to over-produce in order to keep fixed costs in line. Basically they gave up all profit. Now they can actually decline sales. WHOAAAAA ...whatta concept!!!!
 
I do see a hint of this already, but it's too early to say if it's a firm trend or not.
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [greanpea68] by tidester HOST
Jul 01, 2009 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: greanpea68 (Jul 01, 2009 10:42 am)

Everyone is acting like a expert
 
I think everyone is trying to make sense of what little information is available. That hardly implies any pretense of expertise.
 
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SUVs and Smart Shopper
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Re: BMW 735i [prodrive] by volvomax
Jul 01, 2009 (12:53 pm)
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Replying to: prodrive (Jul 01, 2009 11:22 am)

Year and mileage on the bimmer?
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Re: BMW 735i [volvomax] by prodrive
Jul 01, 2009 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Jul 01, 2009 12:53 pm)

Volvomax,
 
The BMW I have is a 1988 735I with around 135k on it with some sweet after market BBS rims that I will be pulling right off- and replacing them with the OEM set before any trade-in
 
Oh, the other car that might work well for me too is the 4 door VW GTI.. both cars are great fun.
 
If like to know; my other cars are 2003 Evo 8 (best car I have ever owned) & a Full size Montero 03
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [dtownfb] by jwilliams2
Jul 01, 2009 (8:24 pm)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jul 01, 2009 11:10 am)

Spoke with some friends who thought they could get a good price, less current incentives, less their trade value, less the government's handout. Why would a dealer give them trade value on a car that has to be scrapped? Its not like they can put the trade on the front line....

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