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Cash for Clunkers - Does it Work for You?

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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [kernick] by kdhspyder
Jun 30, 2009 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 30, 2009 10:57 am)

Sorry this presumes that certain people's money is not green enough. Nothing is farther from the truth....for a lot of reasons.
 
The typical person with a clunker a) can not afford the payments on a new $25K+ non-entry-level vehicle, and b) probably couldn't get financing
 
From daily experience this is simply not true....and why does the new vehicle have to be $25K+. I'll go out on a limb and guess that most of these clunkers traded in by the buyers on the edge will result in the new owner driving off in a $17000 vehicle that cost less than $13000....or lower.
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [kdhspyder] by volvomax
Jun 30, 2009 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jun 30, 2009 12:30 pm)

From my experience,there is usually a financial reason why people drive clunkers or older cars. Even with the gov't cheese I think the vast majority of them would be unable or unwilling to take on a new car loan.
 
Remember, in order for this program to make sense you have to be driving a broken down,nasty, POS. Most older used cars are worth more than $3500.
The people driving them aren't coming in the door as it is.
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [kdhspyder] by kernick
Jun 30, 2009 (4:36 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jun 30, 2009 12:30 pm)

I'll go out on a limb and guess that most of these clunkers traded in by the buyers on the edge will result in the new owner driving off in a $17000 vehicle that cost less than $13000....or lower.
 
That's what I was saying. Higher end brands will be lucky to see 1 or 2 customers over many months who are trading in a clunker. So why would one of these higher end brands want to have to deal with getting at least their administration and finance people up-to-speed on the many pages of what this bill entails.
 
If I run a BMW dealership, I say let the 1 or 2 customers I might get, go down the street and bug the Lexus dealer, and park some junk out front on a Sat. afternoon. I wouldn't want the oil-stains in my driveway.
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [volvomax] by kernick
Jun 30, 2009 (4:38 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Jun 30, 2009 3:15 pm)

Exactly. The vast majority of people driving clunkers are either living check-to-check and have poor credit, make minimum or near minimum wage, are very cheap, or don't really care what they drive. I don't want them in my dealership. Let them go down the street to the Kia dealer. I wouldn't want my salespeople wasting time and then finding out the people have $100 deposit, and a credit score of 400.
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [kernick] by ldisler
Jun 30, 2009 (4:59 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 30, 2009 4:38 pm)

I think your under estimating a lot of people who drive older vehicles. I'm turning
in my 99 Mercury Villager thats worth $1000-2000 in trade. I bought this car new
and it's in good shape (not a clunker). I have great credit, but it doesn't matter
because I'll be paying CASH. I don't think I'm alone.
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [ldisler] by gagrice
Jun 30, 2009 (5:40 pm)
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Replying to: ldisler (Jun 30, 2009 4:59 pm)

I would also pay cash. I think we are a VERY SMALL minority in this country in debt to the eyeballs. Are you getting a car that gets 28 MPG combined so that you get the $4500?
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [kernick] by joegiant
Jun 30, 2009 (5:49 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 30, 2009 4:38 pm)

Geez I hope you're right, kernick. Will definitely make my shopping experience that much better knowing that all these fellow clunker owners only make minimum wage, live check-to-check and have poor credit and therefore won't "qualify" for a loan thus NOT driving up the demand for vehicles.
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [gagrice] by ldisler
Jun 30, 2009 (6:27 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 30, 2009 5:40 pm)

I'm looking to get a Mazda5 which gets 23mpg. Since I'm going from minivan to minivan I should be eligeble for the $4500.
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [kernick] by dtownfb
Jun 30, 2009 (7:02 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 30, 2009 10:57 am)

kernick: what brand cars do you sell? I'll have to show up in my tuxedo so you don't get the wrong impression of me. it's pretty scary the generalizations you make.
 
I'm starting to feel pretty inferior for driving my 2000 Intrigue with 178k miles (few dents and a rust spot by the fuel tank). all this time i thought I was saving money by not having a car payment. In reality, I have poor credit, make minimum wage, and can't afford a $25k car loan. I better find the guy who's life I'm living.
 
Kidding aside, I do tend to agree but not from the point of view that people that drive "clunkers" somehow can't afford a new car. But from the POV that people that can afford a car payment and drive a clunker do so because they are cheap and don't think buying a new car is a good use of their money (myself included). Even if they could get $3500-$4500 for their car, they would still find the remaining amount too expensive. But then you will have those who will use this opportunity to buy something new and drive it into the ground. You just don't know! Which is why any dealer that sells a car that is less than $45k should register. Remember there 300 million people in this country and about 150 million are eligible drivers (guessing).
 
The banks and lending companies will take care of finding those that qualify. If the dealer sees a pattern of people not getting qualifiedy a person, why not discuss financing upfront like real estate agents do? I can see that being a royal pain dealing with people who you can't get financed. Lots of time wasted.
 
BTW, I just replaced my Intrigue with a 2006 Camry. I buy used cars for myself, new for my family. I regularly drive my cars over 120k miles.
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Doesn`t work from me by banditboy
Jul 01, 2009 (4:42 am)
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My 2000 ford tauras has front suspension shot has a big dent and 120k miles .Its probabily worth 500$ but the new combined mileage is 20 mpg so i get nothing.
 
I take the train to work and also own a 2007 camry which my wife/family car.i can afford only 1 payment so i drive the clunker.if this was avialable i would have picked a jetta or something in a lease .
 
I do not like the generalization . last year i put 1000 miles on my clunker and 8000 miles on my motorcycle living in NE. I take the train to work and the camry is the family vehicle[avg 12-13k a year as wife is a stay at home mom].

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