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Re: Jacked Up Prices [ateixeira] by berri
Sep 29, 2009 (4:47 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 29, 2009 10:25 am)

Because demand went up, and supply went down. Supply and demand always applies
 
C'mon ateixeira, that's simplistc thinking and I think you know it. Obviously supply and demand equilibrium is affected by the economic model involved and as competition decreases the equilibrium coefficient is less effective in response. It is also affected by outside factors such as technology changes, product innovation and government restrictions or intervention.
 
What the government did was help dealers reduce their inventory at taxpayers expense. This allowed the dealers to reduce supply and screw customers on price, particularly galling because we paid for it! C4C was not thought out and was a waste of tax money for most everyone except the dealers and a relatively few people with clunkers. It didn't really help Detroit. Dealers are now keeping their inventories lower so there hasn't been a lot of rebound Detroit car production in response to the effort, and I believe Japan was the biggest winner in sales attributed to to C4C as well. Its one thing to use tax monies as loans to GM in order to give them time to get through BK and keep people employed, it is quite another to use our tax monies to artiifically distort supply and demand and transaction prices. Nixon tried fiddling with supply, demand and pricing. The result that Ford and Carter inherited was a disaster.
 
IMO all C4C really accomplished was further increasing our deficit for nothing significant in return. Same goes for first time home buyer rebates and all this other nonsense. Down the road all of this easy spending deficit stuff is going to weaken the dollar, increase inflation and ultimately hurt the American economy and citizens. If you're going to spend tax dollars to supplement the economy, at least do like Roosevelt and Eisenhower and spend it on something constructive like roads and infrastructure.
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Re: Jacked Up Prices [berri] by ateixeira
Sep 30, 2009 (11:36 am)
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Replying to: berri (Sep 29, 2009 4:47 pm)

I'll counter simply by saying the credit market collapse had the opposite effect, so C4C was to stabilize the market, not to sway it in automakers' favor.
 
The crisis came first.
 
Wall Street got 100x as much money and we don't hear 1/10th of the whining about that. I guess automobiles are just more visible.
 
I'll agree with the suggestion to improve the infrastructure, though.
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Happy C4C customer in Minnesota by gagrice
Oct 01, 2009 (5:50 pm)
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I am up visiting my cousin in MN. He has a new Chevy HHR panel. He used a 1987 Ford van with over 200k miles. The transmission had no reverse. Dealer said no problem if you can drive it into the dealership. With all the incentives on the HHR he paid $12,500 cash OTD and really likes the little beast.
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Re: Happy C4C customer in Minnesota [gagrice] by fezo
Oct 01, 2009 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 01, 2009 5:50 pm)

If nothing else the HHR is a cute little bugger. I haven't heard any rel first hand accounts of them though.
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Re: Happy C4C customer in Minnesota [fezo] by fintail
Oct 01, 2009 (6:33 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Oct 01, 2009 5:59 pm)

A relative of mine has one, I think its an 06, around 50K on it now. Not a single problem.

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