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Cash for Clunkers - Does it Work for You?

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Cash for Clunkers - Poorly Written by zaheer
Jul 13, 2009 (4:55 pm)
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I looked into the details of Cash for Clunkers and it was interesting to see that a 19-year old car does not qualify. I have a 1990 Maxima with over 170K miles which should have been a perfect "clunker" to trade-in for a new car. However, the EPA mileage rating on the Maxima when new is 19 mpg. It does not matter that I probably get a lot less mpg on the car right now but due to the 18 mpg maximum requirement for C4C, this car does not qualify. If I was in Germany, they would have gladly taken in the trade-in since their Clunker program does not look at gas mileage, only the age of the trade-in (10 years or older).
 
It is disappointing to see a program that is so narrow in focus which may not really help American car manufacturers since most of the high gas mileage cars are Japanese or Korean. If the intent was to help U.S. car manufacturers (especially GM and Chrysler), it should not have been combined with the gas mileage requirement.
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Re: Cash for Clunkers - Poorly Written [zaheer] by kdhspyder
Jul 13, 2009 (7:25 pm)
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Replying to: zaheer (Jul 13, 2009 4:55 pm)

There has to be a cutoff somewhere and for sure whereever that cutoff is the person with a vehicle that's one mpg higher will not be happy.
 
Also think how bad all the real guzzlers from that era are in comparison to your Maxima. If you've fallen from say 19 mpg to say 15 mpg a 91 Chevy 1500 began at 15 mpg. It's probably scraping by at 10 mpg now.
 
The intent was to help all the automakers, and all the parts of the transaction from raw material supplier to parts maker to auto maker to trucker to clean up crew to salespeople to dealers to state tax revenues.
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Re: Cash for Clunkers - Poorly Written [zaheer] by british_rover
Jul 14, 2009 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: zaheer (Jul 13, 2009 4:55 pm)

Lets see just counting Chevy alone and not counting multiple trim or engine levels they have 14 different vehicles that qualify. The Cobalt XFE gets good enough mileage to pick up the $4,500 voucher and I bet the Hybrid Malibu does the same.
 
Toyota has 16 vehicles by my count, I am not counting the Solara as it is a 2008 model and being discontinued, so not really a big difference there.
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Re: Negotiated Scrap Value under C4C/CARS ?? [spazvt] by volvomax
Jul 14, 2009 (10:05 am)
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Replying to: spazvt (Jul 12, 2009 2:59 pm)

I doubt that you are going to get any concession on the scrap value.
Dealers are gonna look just to unload whatever they get and a smart scrap yard will just low ball them on a value. Plus, they probably won't even deal with it until after the deal clears anyway,so they won't even know what, if any money they are going to get.
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Re: Negotiated Scrap Value under C4C/CARS ?? [spazvt] by joel0622
Jul 14, 2009 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: spazvt (Jul 12, 2009 2:59 pm)

How did you do all of this when the program hasn't even gone into effect yet?
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Re: Negotiated Scrap Value under C4C/CARS ?? [volvomax] by joel0622
Jul 14, 2009 (10:19 am)
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Replying to: volvomax (Jul 14, 2009 10:05 am)

Spot on Volvo, we will probably pass on a deal if some one really wants to waste the time to negotiate the scrap value of an old POS car. This process is already looking very time consuming for the dealership as it is. The more I read the less excited I get.
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [kernick] by woodah
Jul 14, 2009 (11:53 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 30, 2009 4:38 pm)

I have good credit and make a good (6-figure) salary. I'm just not much of a car guy. I've been driving my '88 pathfinder forever because it never broke down. I don't like dealerships and just never got around to getting a newer car. However, this incentive looks pretty good. I was interested in an IS, but it appears only Toyota is processing the trade-ins, not Lexus. I can understand that I may be an anomaly, and that dealerships need to make decisions based on group behavior, but it is frustrating for me.
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Re: Negotiated Scrap Value under C4C/CARS ?? [spazvt] by joel0622
Jul 14, 2009 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: spazvt (Jul 12, 2009 2:59 pm)

The NHTSA statement has a footnote that "Allocation of any remaining scrappage fees is subject to negotiation between the dealer and the purchaser."
 
I just reread this on the web site. This applies to the negotiations between the dealer and the purchaser of the POS car, not the you the consumer, but the scrap yard. So there is no foot note stating that you the consumer can negotiate what the dealer may or may not get for your clunker. You are getting $3500 or $4500 and thats it.
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Re: Cash for Clunkers - Poorly Written [zaheer] by volvomax
Jul 14, 2009 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: zaheer (Jul 13, 2009 4:55 pm)

You have to remember that the Germans have different priorities. Hardly any car in Germany gets poor gas mileage. Their big issue is CO2 emmissions. New cars are WAYY better at that then even 10 yr old ones.
If I had written the US regs I would have had an age or gas mileage provision. Any car over 15 yrs old or any with a mileage under 18 combined MPG.
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Re: Wait for the bill or not? [woodah] by volvomax
Jul 14, 2009 (1:32 pm)
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Replying to: woodah (Jul 14, 2009 11:53 am)

Are you sure that no Lexus dealer is participating?
 
If not, that is understandable. Not too many people driving a qualifying car will have the bank account to sign for a new Lexus.
No flames please, just because YOU might be the one guy who can doen't make you representative of the ar buying public at large. Dealers ALWAYS play the odds.
For the average Lexus dealer, even one of these sales might be seen as too much of a PITA to bother with.

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