Last post on Feb 10, 2013 at 8:53 PM
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Lexus LS 400, Lexus LS 430, Lexus LS 460, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#7 of 11 98,000 miles LS 430 2004 Sport
Aug 20, 2009 (7:54 pm)
Yes I to have looked and driven almost everything since Sept 08. All Lexus maintance has been done. I am thinking about buying extended warranty. My dealer said Lexus doesn't offer one over 100,000. They offered me another warranty $1200 to $2200 depending on what I want. I may end up with a 2010 ES just not sure even with .09 % money until Sept 7th.
#8 of 11 LS 430 EuroTuned Still Best
Sep 05, 2010 (7:33 am)
I have driven the new 2010 AWD version of the LS 460. Have not yet driven the new LS 460 "Sport' and do know what to expect of it. My hopes for a new Lexus may depend on what it has to show me. My LS 430, Euro tuned, seems to me superior in every way to the LS 460 except gadgetry (nav, which I do not have), including such tiny but important details as the little sun-blocking piece over the rear-view mirror, dropped in the new LS and replaced by a bunch of ugly black mesh on the windshield, which cannot and does not work as well. Why Lexus gave up on the Euro-tuned suspension I'll never understand. My car, once belabored by critics as not sufficiently athletic, though they cannot have been driving the Euro suspension, easily out-handles the new AWD version, despite its variable suspension (which does not do much on the AWD -- though it may be different, and l hope it will be, on the new Sport version) on the firmest setting. Power is not delivered immediately when one tromps on the accelerator: there is a disturbing hesitation and lag. Pushing the ECT button doesn't do anything to improve this. Is this a function of the new eight gear transmission? Whatever. It is disorienting to me and very unwelcome. The whole car feels enormously heavier now (it is, of course) and cumbersome compared to what I have The AWD version also exhibits a much larger and therefore clumsier turning radius -- another negative feature. So, looking to replace a car with 86,000 miles on it, I am, so far, pretty disappointed with where Lexus has taken this once wonderful automobile and am thinking of keeping what I have for another big chunk of miles instead of getting the LS 460. Will anything offered by Lexus in 2011 or 2012 get to these issues? It has made me start to think of other marks (and my wife and I have been with Lexus since it got here a fair number of years ago), something I could not imagine doing before. I doubt that those German cars have anything to offer in terms of reliability (quite the contrary), are ridiculously more expensive up front, depreciate like mad, and do not seem to offer the level of service I have grown used to at Lexus. What a puzzle! Anybody out there have any hope to offer?
#9 of 11 Re: Is the 430 a better Car than the 460
Jun 12, 2012 (8:22 am)
To All; I have a 2001 LS430 Sport with 211,960 miles, and have been looking to trade up... or at least buy a newer LS460. I have driven the 2009, 2010 and 2011 LS460, I also have the same problem pulling the trigger on the purchase of the LS460 because the car isn't "in my opinion" a better car, and isn't that the reason we upgrade, for something better? I agree with most everything on this discussion and wish we were all wrong!!! Maybe there is hope that Lexus redesigns the LS460 in 2013, if not I will find a 2004 or 2006 with low miles and drive them (mine and a 2004/6 that i buy) until they die... and that might be a long time.
I love my LS430 but if the LS460 was half the car the LS430 is, I would own one by now!!
I sure hope Toyota/Lexus is listening... We want/need a good new drivers car, smooth, quiet, easy to operate, short turning radius, smooth transmission etc. new gadgets LS460/490!!
thanks for listening guys...
#10 of 11 ls430 vs ls460
Feb 05, 2013 (10:15 pm)
Own a 2004 ls430. Tried ls460 and ls460l. My car is smoother and quieter!! Why do you buy a luxury/comfort car? Most of it is in the wheels. It's simple physics. The lower profile tires of the ls460 will never give a ride as comfortable and quiet as 16" wheels that I have on my ls430. Let me make it clear. My car initially had 18" wheels that I exchanged for 16" wheels. Big difference! All ls430s are capable of switching to 16" wheels like were standard on the older 430s. The ls460s are not. This is what Lexus/Toyota doesn't get. I'm a baby boomer and I want a smooth, quiet ride above all else! I could give a flip about the "looks" of the lower profile tires. I experienced the same thing in my 2007 lx450, 18" to 16" wheels makes a big difference. I refuse to buy the newer models b/c of the rougher, noisier rides. What good is the ML sound system if you can't hear it well at 70-75 mph? WAKE UP TOYOTA. At least give us the option of 16"wheels.
#11 of 11 Re: ls430 vs ls460 [johnpat]
Feb 10, 2013 (8:53 pm)
The 01-06 LS430 was a car that Lexus overengineered. It might go down as one of the best cars ever made by Lexus. All manufactureres have to make a profit, and we are already seeing in the entire lexus line areas that lose either quality of the parts themselves or eliminating something that we found necessary as in the rear trunk pistons on the 2013 GS350. I have driven the LS460 and would not replace it for my 01 LS430. If anything I might consider upgrading to an 04-06 for the refresh that most laymen don't even notice. Not all new cars improve with time.