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Toyota Sienna, Future Vehicle, Van
Nov 10, 2011 (11:12 am)
A reporter is interested in talking with parents who own a 2011 or 2012 Kia Optima, Kia Sorento, Hyundai Elantra, Ford Focus, Honda Fit, Honda Odyssey, Mazda 5, Subaru Outback, Dodge Durango, or Toyota Sienna. If you are interested in commenting on your experience, please reply to predmunds.com no later than Friday, November 30, 2011 and include your city and state of residence, the model year of your vehicle and the age of your child/ren.
(still looking for people Rgcc).
#660 of 687 Re: Annoying noice [caw1]
Nov 14, 2011 (6:06 pm)
We bought a 2012 Sienna LE a week ago and noticed the same very annoying noise as you did. Was your problem fixed? What was the cause? Thanks in advance for your kind reply.
#661 of 687 Re: 2011 Sienna water leak - still not fixed [sgsienna]
Nov 22, 2011 (11:30 am)
I have a water leak issue in my 2011 Toyota sienna SE, it is also going back today for the fourth time. Is your water accumulating in the back end?
#662 of 687 2011 NHTSA 2 star frontal crash
Jan 04, 2012 (3:20 pm)
Am very disappointed in 2011 sienna 2-star rating for frontal crash, passenger. Assuming 2012 won't be any different but see NHTSA will test 2012. Am surprised there aren't more people complaining about this. Bought ours based on IIHS ratings, then NHTSA came out with theirs and not good! Am looking into real-world crash results and maybe larger SUV would be better.
#663 of 687 Re: 2011 NHTSA 2 star frontal crash [minimommy]
Jan 04, 2012 (5:41 pm)
First off, safecar.gov shows the '11 Sienna as 3-stars on the frontal crash so i'm not sure where you got the 2.
Regardless you have to take all of these ratings with a grain of salt. All of the '11+ tests are at a higher rating scale so they can't be compared to prior tests. There's a lot of vehicles not even tested with the new standards at this time.
Bigger does not equal better in a single-vehicle crash. If anything the heavier a vehicle the harder the deceleration. So if you can pick your crash...go for a small/light vehicle for a single vehicle crash and a big heavy one for multi-vehicle. The "mini" vans are far from light vehicles...in fact there's not many SUV's that are bigger. Sienna is the same size or bigger than most of the SUV's out there with the exception of the Suburban/Expedition XL.
I don't worry too much about the ratings...the real world facts are all minivans are very safe. I persoanlly like the IIHS anyway because they seem to show and give more details
#664 of 687 Re: 2011 NHTSA 2 star frontal crash [sebring95]
Jan 04, 2012 (6:06 pm)
Yes, the frontal crash overall rating is a 3 star; I was referring to the front passenger rating which is a 2 star (driver is a five star, which is great and what it should be). However, with some older children now sitting up front in this van, I'm really not liking the 2-star front passenger rating in case of a crash. So I've been debating trading Sienna for Odyssey (had one before Sienna, my Ody went over 140k with no tranny problems, but am reluctant to get back to that, even though Odyssey has 5-star crash-test ratings where Sienna does not)... or going with something like Volvo XC90 or a larger SUV (Tahoe) but hate the gas guzzle. I still think a Tahoe would "win" in a crash with my Sienna or an Ody. That's the dilemma. Do wish they'd test the 2012 Sienna, if it scores 5 stars, I could just trade for that. Just not sure why Sienna 2011 did so poorly -- 2-star rating for a front passenger is just NOT acceptable. Especially when Odyssey and a few other vehicles (Volvo XC60) get 5 stars in that same seat.
#665 of 687 Re: 2011 NHTSA 2 star frontal crash [sebring95]
Jan 04, 2012 (6:07 pm)
I also will go back and look at IIHS tests for 2011 Sienna, as you mention there is more detail, but NHTSA test result is simply abysmal in my opinion and just not acceptable for a "family" vehicle. That front passenger should get no less than a 5-star, just as the 2011 Odyssey has tested in the newer more stringent NHTSA tests.
#666 of 687 Re: 2011 NHTSA 2 star frontal crash [minimommy]
Jan 05, 2012 (5:58 am)
I looked again and there's actually a lot more detail on the NHTSA site. You can drill down to the 80+ page test report with pics. It looks like the threshold levels on the dummy are all very low, although the passenger is higher than the drive. Compartment looks quite good and dummy appears to hit the right spots. I still can't see an individual star rating between driver and passenger, nor can I find what the star ratings actually mean. I know in the past a 2-star meant you were getting hurt, but it doesn't look like that's even close to the case now. One thing that really seems weird to me is that when they test these, the passenger seat is basically jammed against the dash. I don't know why anyone would ride like. If you look at the pictures it seems like they have the passenger seat as far forward as it will go, including the seat-back.
The only thing a Tahoe has on the Odyssey/Sienna is a little higher ride and a few hundred pounds. The size is almost identical but the space is a HUGE difference. We had a Tahoe before and the minivan is a huge upgrade in terms of space behind the front seats.
We also had an '05 Odyssey and were quite happy with it. The new Ody is rated very highly but it just wasn't a major concern for me. I feel they're all very safe and none have any specific test failures. It appears even a two-star is quite safe based on the new ratings. Obviously everyone has different priorities when buying so that's your call. I personally can't imagine trading because of what appears to be a relatively minor difference between best and worst. It's kind of like reliability ratings...vehicles have gotten so reliable that the difference between best and worst is hardly worth mentioning.
#667 of 687 Re: 2011 NHTSA 2 star frontal crash [sebring95]
Jan 05, 2012 (7:40 am)
The FWD V6 Sienna is the only minivan that scores above average in CR's detailed break down. More features? Sliding doors are hard to get right.
All Odys are below average. The 4 banger base Sienna and AWD Sienna are also below average.
#668 of 687 Re: 2011 NHTSA 2 star frontal crash [ateixeira]
Jan 05, 2012 (7:56 am)
And my point was that average is so blatantly good these days I really don't look at reliability when shopping. If the average is 1.5 problems a year...with a low of 1 problem and a high of 2.2 problems. I'll risk it and just buy what I really want.