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#614 of 687 More on 2011 Sienna LTD
Mar 26, 2011 (4:59 am)
Just finished our first long distance (1200 miles) on our new Sienna LTD. Have the following comments:
The Advanced Tech Pkg. (laser guided cruise control) system is not as responsive as the version I had on my 2004 Sienna XLE LTD. On one occasion, a car pulled into my lane and the car did not respond at all. Had I not braked, I would have rear ended him. The old system would have beeped loudly and braked immediately. I wonder if the old wave-guide located on the right bumper was a more efficient laser install rather than the current one installed on the front grill. It occurred to me that perhaps the lucite screen covering the laser unit in the grill may have been dirty from road grime and the receptivity was impaired. Since this option is not available to dealers in the NE and the mid=Atlantic states, I wonder if dealers in these locations are familiar with the system. Will try and get the system re-calibrated but I'm not optimistic about a solution. May have to go to a Lexus dealer for help.
The middle captain's seats were a boon to our grandchildren w/the extended foot rests (like airplane recliners). Also, the seat slides allow for moving these seats up against the 3rd row for max space. Good design here.
Driver's functionality: barely satisfactory. The center console box is completely dysfunctional on a trip in comparison to the old 2004 Sienna. One big box that holds everything (must have been designed by a man 'cause a woman would have been more practical here): just can't dig down deep enough when driving on an interstate. Center panel under the radio has two cup holders: nothing else. Old system had 4 different slots to hold cups, and other little goodies that were easily accessible when driving. Also the old center console had a flip up panel w/pen and pad holder that allowed for quick note taking. And under that panel was another small stowage area. The under that was a place for head phone storage. The small stowage in the doors in the old Sienna were also quite handy. Nothing on the new one.
Bottom line: the design in the driver's compartment is regressing in comparison to the old 2004. Whereas Mercedes and other European mfgrs. are adapting their designs to US needs for functionality and function over form, the new Sienna is going in the opposite direction.
The laser cruise control speed display is hard to read w/sunglasses. They should improve the digital readout speed display with brighter numbers.
This is perhaps the most expensive minivan sold today (mine has every option available), and I would have expected better out of Toyota.
Would appreciate comments re the ATP performance (and any other areas). Do others have the same problem?
#615 of 687 Re: 2011 Toyota Sienna vs. All-New Nissan Quest [808speedcruzr]
Mar 26, 2011 (1:54 pm)
Sad to hear that Toyota is charging more and giving less in their current generation. Seems like they are following the path GM began years ago.
#616 of 687 Re: 2011 Toyota Sienna vs. All-New Nissan Quest [808speedcruzr]
Mar 28, 2011 (6:32 am)
I won't defend the Sienna, but I will join the Cost Cutting Police and point out where Nissan cut corners:
* you give up about 40 cubic feet of total cargo space
* floor isn't flat, you have gaps and holes
* 3rd row seats are child-sized
* Cargo floor falls about 10" short of fitting a sheet of plywood
* peach fuzz headliner is awful cheap
* sun visors also cheap
* arm rests are vinyl, not leather
* storage cubbies are seriously lacking
* none of the cup holders can fit mug handles
The seats are plush, and I like the pin-striping. You can fold all the seats forward easily and don't have to store them. The arm rest angles adjust like 2006 and prior Siennas did.
Mixed bag, for sure.
#617 of 687 Re: 2011 Toyota Sienna vs. All-New Nissan Quest [ateixeira]
Mar 28, 2011 (7:13 am)
Appreciate your assessment of the Quest vs. Sienna. Thought the first 4 items particularly important and reaffirms my decision to buy the Sienna LTD (Fully loaded).
#618 of 687 It's really sad
Apr 28, 2011 (7:02 pm)
It's sad to read all these comments on the new Sienna, especially that the previous generation Sienna was THAT MUCH better. All the critics, magazines, testers, and private owners attest the same.
Toyota still makes some terrific vehicles, but they seem to go downhill/backwards with every refresh or new release. IMO the Sienna and Corolla are the strongest examples. The new Sienna do have some nice standard features over the previous generation, like Bluetooth and backup camera, but they eliminated so many useful ideas from last generation for no apparent reason, like all the stowage areas and bins, and many more.
What's going on? Go figure.
#619 of 687 Re: It's really sad [samnoe]
Apr 28, 2011 (8:27 pm)
Yes, I agree. I owned a 2004 which was a great vehicle and the 2009/10 version was even better. For two years I looked forward to buying the new 2011 version, test drove one for several hundred miles via a car rental agency and was ultimately very discouraged. The rental agency also said that the 2011's are not as good as the earlier version due to some hardware failures not seen in the last version. I will, regrettably ,not be buying one.
#620 of 687 Re: It's really sad [fawltytowers44]
Apr 29, 2011 (4:11 am)
We're pretty happy with ours. In 2005 we easily picked the Ody over the Sienna. In 2011 it went the other way. I actually still prefer the Ody but the wife was sold on the Sienna, particularly the trim/features of the Ltd. Beyond the dash material I really don't have any serious complaints. We have had LE model rentals and they seem to be pretty low-rent all around so if our budget was quite a bit lower I don't think we would have gone with the Sienna.
#621 of 687 Re: It's really sad [fawltytowers44]
Apr 29, 2011 (7:56 am)
Owned a 04 LE AWD, and planned to get an 2011 XLE AWD. Until the day I supposed to sign the paper, I back out. I just didn't have the same excitment. Although the 04 didn't have leather, sunroof but still feel more useful/nicer then the 2011 XLE.
We ended up getting an used 07 Highlander knowing it probably hold value better in a year or 2. By then we will get back to the minivan market hoping there are some improvement on the Sienna.
#622 of 687 Re: 2011 Toyota Sienna vs. All-New Nissan Quest [ateixeira]
Apr 29, 2011 (8:00 am)
I really don't think smaller cargo space = cost cutting or concern cutting.
The reason Quest has less cargo space is the way the van is designed. The fold flat 2nd row might work good with specific buyers. Same for the 3rd row, small family might like the flat cargo over the seating space if they like to go to homedepot all the time.
I checked out the van in person, same as the Odyssey, some good and bad but one thing for sure, the 1st row is VERY NICE
#623 of 687 Re: 2011 Toyota Sienna vs. All-New Nissan Quest [loucapri]
May 02, 2011 (7:08 am)
Yeah, that's not cost cutting per se, just less utility out of a vehicle targeted at people who want utility.
The cargo isn't totally flat and there are gaps and holes when the seats are folded. I recommend a tarp, cardboard, or something to line the floor that will seal up those holes.
I liked the front seats also, the piping on the seats sure looks upscale.