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#242 of 687 Sienna head room limited in Limited?
Feb 24, 2010 (7:36 pm)
I have been anxiously following the release of the 2011 Sienna since my 2000 Honda Odyssey is finally reaching the end of its useful life as a kid and co-worker transporter (only 70,000 miles). I've been carefully reading the comments in this and other forums, and decided it's time to visit my local dealership for an up close inspection. The dealer had a Mystic Teal Limited version in the showroom that I was given free access to.
Everything was great until I went to sit in the 2nd row. I am only 6ft tall, but as soon as I sat in that comfortable 2nd row seat my head hit the roof. I had my coworkers sit in both seats and they too had the same exact issue. When the Toyota sales rep finally came over and asked if I had any questions I asked mentioned that I hit my head when sitting in the 2nd row. He commented that he's 6ft 2in and he didn't have any problem. So I asked him to sit in the seat so I could see. Sure enough, his head was firmly planted on the roof. His suggestion was to recline the seat which is far from an acceptable solution.
When we returned back to my 2000 Honda Odyssey we carefully checked out the headroom and found that we had at least 5 inches between the tops of our heads and the roof. My Odyssey doesn't have a sunroof over the 2nd row, but this just made it more obvious to me that this could be a real issue for me.
Has anybody else tried the 2011 Sienna Limited and observed the headroom issues in the 2nd row? Unfortunately I was unable to sit in an XLE to compare. I would need to regain at least 3 inches of headroom before I would even consider the Sienna. I really wanted the Sienna, but it looks like my hopes are now going to be on the new Honda Odyssey. If they've cut the headroom on that model I am not sure where my next vehicle will come from. Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated.
#243 of 687 Re: Sienna head room limited in Limited? [fly2liv]
Feb 24, 2010 (11:25 pm)
I think that the Sienna 2011 is not superior in total to the 2004-2010 Sienna. When combined with what seems to be a huge indifference to the customer and quality control standards by Toyota, it seems very illogical to take purchase a 2011. Even the Chairman of Toyota stated his company has expanded too fast and they lost touch. That would be true for all functions of the Company, including design, engineering and production. We all know when the 2004 came out, it was a "WOW. I was so impressed I bought one and paid the full freight (MSRP).
This model has none of that; there is no real WOW factor, I have been a loyal Toyota customer, but the combination of the two issues (no wow factor and an issue with the foundation of the company) tell me to at best take a time out and not buy a 2011.
I'm hoping my 2004 Sienna will last one more year. Perhaps by then things will have gotten better with the company, we will also now about the quality of the 2011, and the new Honda will be out.
#244 of 687 Re: Picked up a 2011 Sienna [cindaddy]
Feb 25, 2010 (6:33 am)
can you answer a few quest for me please... when you remove the 8th seat, are you left with that plastic tray in the floor? how do your passengers get thru to the third row.. my other really big quest is... can passengers exit the third row by themselves.. that is to say after second row passengers have exited and left!!! on the ody the realease button is up by the headrest so no prob. the sienna seemed to have it so low down .. have you had this problem yet? thanks
#245 of 687 Re: Picked up a 2011 Sienna [jennlehr]
Feb 25, 2010 (7:38 am)
I have test drove the LE, XLE and Limited 2011 Sienna model... The base for the 8th seat is a really bad design... It is not removable at all and like me I have a 3 yr old who likes to walk between the two middle seats, she was tripping like crazy and leaving dirty foot prints. If I was to purchase the Sienna I will only go for the 7 seat model. It was a great concept to have the 8th seat removable and stow in the back, but the base was something toyota is covering when you view all the videos online. You got to go see it at the dealer to see how horrible the base is.
The passenger in the 3rd row can exit by pushing the 2nd row seats forward much like what the SUV with 3rd row must do.
Overall, I was seriously considering the Limited since it has front sonar and rear sonar (front sonar is not available on XLE ) But all these Toyota issues have gotten me wonder if I should wait till the Honda Odyssey 2011 or even the 2010 if I need it now. My family has had toyota only for the last 25 years from corolla, camry, Previa, Matrix, Prius, Tacoma... Now, I am just wondering if I should keep this toyota loyalty going with all these mess!!!! I need to see like a huge incentives before I would go with toyota again I think... Honda is in my mind the last few days.
#246 of 687 Re: Sienna head room limited in Limited? [tfaw_big]
Feb 25, 2010 (1:54 pm)
They lost a few items (big 8th seat, soft touch materials) but they also gained some (16" DVD, backup cam without Navi, 6EAT, 3 zone climate std, etc.).
All in all I think it depends on which model you compare.
#247 of 687 Re: Sienna head room limited in Limited? [ateixeira]
Feb 25, 2010 (2:06 pm)
That SE model has my interest. I always thought I'd go AWD, but hmm...
#248 of 687 Re: Sienna head room limited in Limited? [fly2liv]
Feb 25, 2010 (3:30 pm)
Have you tried to sit on the Ody 2010EX? I sat on both cars and I felt the Sienna11 has much more room than the Ody. Only the third row on the Ody is better thougth.
#249 of 687 Re: Picked up a 2011 Sienna [jennlehr]
Feb 25, 2010 (4:28 pm)
My wife and I test drove an '11 Sienna LE today. We will be having our 3rd child in a few months and will need something with more space than the 4Runner. Before the test drive, I was 90% sure we would be buying a new Sienna, probably an XLE. I think it is this best looking minivan (ever) made.
The test drive went well. The van handles nicely and sure smoothed out the rough spots in the road, which we intentionally did not avoid. Power was plenty adequate. This was a front-wheel drive LE, and did not do too well starting on a steep, icy incline (we live in ND), but it's not AWD, so how much can you expect? The interior did seem kind of cheap and confirmed that I would probably want to go with an XLE. (The taupe Limited interior we looked at in the showroom had a much better appearance). As others have stated, the dash is hard plastic and in fact, feels worse than it looks. But, I don't drive around feeling the dash, so I could live with it. Maybe cheap would feel good in a crash.
The real problem for me was the 8-seat arrangement. We will soon have 3 kids in car seats, the oldest will be four years old. A 4-year old is not going to be able to tilt the middle seats and push them forward (besides, both middle seats will have car seats in them, there won't be any tilting going on). So the 4-year old is going to have to get to the back by going between the middle seats, and at least for a while, mom or dad is going to have to follow her to buckle her in. The tray left behind when the middle seat is removed is probably a deal breaker for us. It sticks up 4 inches or so, and someone is going to be constantly tripping over it.
You can get a 7-seat arrangement in the XLE only with AWD, or in a limited AWD or FWD (+$$$), or I think in an LE with AWD or FWD and a cheap interior. But no XLE FWD. We'll probably check out the '10 carryovers and then head on over to the Honda dealer. Wonder when the new Odysseys will be out.....................I know Toyota can't customize it for everyone, but I don't think we fit in their "slots".
#251 of 687 Re: Picked up a 2011 Sienna [nddaddy]
Feb 25, 2010 (9:56 pm)
We got a 2008 Sienna when expecting our third. The full size eighth seat with the front and center placement is very nice for carrying an infant in the van. It is a shame Toyota ruined the eighth seat in the new Sienna, but it sound like Honda may be coming to the rescue with a real eighth seat again.
Wait for the new Ody if you can.