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#152 of 687 In-person First Impressions
Feb 02, 2010 (7:58 am)
Got to see one of these in the flesh on Sunday, and overall I was pretty impressed, though I will point out some dislikes as well.
Let's start with the bad.
The mother-in-law seat is much smaller than the current 8 seat model. Sure the outer seats now have arm rests and are proper captain's chairs, but I'd say it's about 10" wide instead of the old 20" wide center seat. It's bigger than the Ody's, and they provide a great way to store it, but if you want 3 seats in the middle row all the time, the 2004-2010 model is better, period.
We also lost the 3rd row tailgate feature. The way the seat folds has changed, and it's easier to lift and flip and fold it, but you can no longer make the seat face rearward and have the kids sit there during a tailgate party.
The 3rd strike is the plastic dash - it's not as soft as the outgoing one. It looks OK but the tactile feel is not as plush, padded. Not a big deal, I suppose, but I like to point out any cost cutting I see.
Now the good...
People were crawling all over this van. If Toyota's rep is injured, you would never have known. You had to wait in line to sit in the driver's seat.
Wow those 2nd row seats are cool. Nothing short of a Mayback or 750iL is better. Tall people won't fit, but your kids will nap there and not want to leave. Ever.
All 2nd row models now get arm rests, too.
The dash looks thoroughly modern. This is largely a matter of taste, but it does make the old one (and competitors) seem dated.
The 16" DVD screen is clever because the low profile means it doesn't even block the rear view mirror as much.
The 2nd row seats have MAJOR travel, they go way forward, and waaaaay back, basically touching the 3rd row seats. Very versatile.
The 3rd row windows still open, unlike the Ody's which are fixed. Powered, too.
I was pretty impressed. I've planned to keep my 2007 until the wheels fall off, and I don't think I'll change those plans, but if I were buying a new van today it would definitely make my short list.
Honda will show a new Ody concept at the Chicago Auto Show so let's see how they respond. Here's my wish list for the updated Honda:
* more HP
* improved cylinder deactivation - on LX too
* comfier 8th seat
* AWD option
* 3rd row windows that open
* tailgating 3rd row
* 2nd row that flips forward
* fold flat passenger seat (forgot to check that on 2011 Sienna)
* more hidden sliding door tracks on exterior
#153 of 687 Re: In-person First Impressions [ateixeira]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:33 am)
What was the model type? XLE or Limited? Thank you.
#154 of 687 Re: In-person First Impressions [ateixeira]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:33 am)
Very nice review. Thanks. Did you get any sense on price? From the other forum $1500 ovrer invoice seems standard with a low of $500 with Costco.
#155 of 687 Re: In-person First Impressions [ateixeira]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:44 am)
You should write for one of the car magazines, as this was one of the best pros and cons reviews I've read in some time (thank-you!). I wanted to ask a few extra questions. 1) Is there a discernible difference in space between this and the outgoing model, particularly between front seat passengers? 2) Did you sample the LE or XLE? 3) Was the USB port standard (very important for me since I can't seem to function without my iPod close at hand)? I still haven't seen the new model in my area and your sharing of information has been most helpful.
#156 of 687 Re: In-person First Impressions [ateixeira]
Feb 02, 2010 (9:11 am)
Thanks for the review. I am looking forward to seeing one - hopefully this weekend there will be some in Chicagoland. I guess the new 2nd row seats don't really "flip over" like the old ones, but they just slide up quite far.
Hopefully all the noise around Toyota will keep enough people on the sidelines that dealers don't get greedy with their pricing here early on.....I'll pay a fair premium over invoice (500-750 would be ideal) but I'm not going to be silly and pay sticker or sticker-plus. Plus Honda's timing is perfect - get the buzz out about the new Odyssey too so some people might decide to wait 6 months for it and not rush into the Sienna.
#157 of 687 Re: In-person First Impressions [wasabee]
Feb 02, 2010 (9:31 am)
I sat in both. The XLE had the 8th seat. The Limited had the leg rests.
#158 of 687 Re: In-person First Impressions [hitchens97]
Feb 02, 2010 (9:34 am)
Nothing on pricing, and they were ill-prepared to even answer questions like what models get the backup cam and the power hatch.
I think I knew more than they did about it.
I did sign up for a brochure but they said it will take a couple of weeks!
#159 of 687 Re: In-person First Impressions [toyoho]
Feb 02, 2010 (9:37 am)
I will try to answer all the questions, let's see.
Space seemed fine. They had the 2nd row aaaaalllll the way back so it actually seemed bigger at first glance, but then I noticed the seat was touching the 3rd row.
I'm guessing the "bridge", i.e. mother-in-law seat is about 10" wide now. But you have arm rests between the seats, so it's well partitioned.
XLE, and a Limited. No LEs where there.
Did not look for a USB port, sorry, I should have looked (Subaru Outback has one and the Legacy model does not - odd).
#160 of 687 Re: In-person First Impressions [hogan773]
Feb 02, 2010 (9:40 am)
I didn't try the 2nd row flip-and-fold trick. So not sure on that. Keep in mind they had 4-5 people in the car at any given time. It was mobbed.
I did get there early and took a look before everyone came. Should have spent more time. Forgot my camera (DOH) and my tape measure (double DOH).
Access to the 3rd row is easy if you remove the middle seat, though. I guess it's like the Highlander's now.
So you're going to the Chicago auto show? That's pretty soon, right?
Be prepared to answer all the same questions about the new Ody (if you can get in it, I think it's just a concept).
#161 of 687 Purchase Price
Feb 02, 2010 (10:19 am)
It seems that dealers should give pretty good deals on these. It should substantially different from most new model premiers since they haven't been able to sell much of anything due to the recall. They (dealers and Toyota corp) should be itching to get these off the lot when they come in. I am a Toyota fan (owned five). I am really sorry they've had to go through this, but I sure hope to benefit. If anything I think we should see some really good incentives from go. Thoughts anyone?