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#11 of 54 death wobble by toplessnpa

Sep 22, 2010 (11:08 pm)

hello there !!!! i have a 2007 jeep wrangler x with exactly what everone is describing!!!!!.....so far i ve replaced the steering stabilizer (rancho).....tires rotated and balanced....pro comp shocks all around.....pro comp trac bar...upper and lower ball joints on left side and i still have it.....so yea i m ready to cry....lol...dont really wanna get rid of it too much invested but then again dont know that i really wanna keep it!!!!!! when it happens unexpectedly its tooooooo scary

#12 of 54 death wobble by toplessnpa

Sep 26, 2010 (7:49 pm)

ok well just an update here....so i put my jeep in 4wd and it sounded like the whole front end was gonna fall off when i turned the wheels...yea i could only go a foot or two and then i feel some resistance...so stopping at the garage tom right away...and i hoping this is a 2 for one deal and fixes the dw too.....i just cant figure out why in 2wd it seems fine except for the wobble

#13 of 54 Re: death wobble [toplessnpa] by mac24

Sep 28, 2010 (8:57 am)

Replying to: toplessnpa (Sep 26, 2010 7:49 pm)
so i put my jeep in 4wd and it sounded like the whole front end was gonna fall off when i turned the wheels...yea i could only go a foot or two and then i feel some resistance.
 
If you engage 4WD on a hard surface it will be difficult to turn the steering wheel and you'll hear it when the tires skip and jump.
Perfectly normal.

#14 of 54 Re: Jeep wheel wobble [wobbleripoff] by podedwards

Oct 20, 2010 (11:01 am)

Replying to: wobbleripoff (Jun 24, 2009 8:46 pm)
Before you sell your Wrangler, consider this. The problem may not be the suspension at all. Tires on newer vehicles, Jeeps are no exception, have been bubble balanced at the factory so if you drive a new one the wheels will be balanced-sort of. But bubble balancing won't do as the tires begin to wear after 2K to 3K. The tires need to be balanced on a friction surface (what Goodyear calls ground force) to be properly balanced. If not then the tires will begin to wear irregularly with flat spots and uneven areas and the car will feel like the front end is bouncing and it is.
 
Once tires have started this, nothing can be done to correct the problem with them. Even friction balancing won't help.
 
It is very important to have new tires friction balanced from the get go. If they are they will develop good wear patterns. Re-balancing about every 8k will keep them that way. I have been there.
 
On my 2006 Grand Cherokee, I got 60k on the the original tires-never a problem. It now has 70K and the original brakes and still have at least 40k left on them. What does brake wear have to do with properly balanced tires? Well a whole lot. Vibration from tires out of balance damages the front end and brake components.
 
My 2007 Wrangler Unlimited has 30K and no problems with vibration what so ever and don't expect any. I had the tires friction balanced after I picked it up new and have had it re-balanced 4 times.
 
This deal is one the of the Occam's Razor examples. Find the least complex answer. Put a new set of tires on the vehicle and have them friction balanced. The worst that can happen is that a prospective buyer will see new tires.
 
Many people suggest complicated answers for simple problems. I don't know if they are trying to seem intelligent or they just have a love of complexity. But any event, follow and simple logical step by step approach. Don't assume the tires are properly balanced-make sure.
 
A steering damper should last for years so if it has not, something has damaged it-like tires not properly balanced. Front suspensions are incredibly durable, as are drive trains and rear ends. Look for a simple basic reason and more than likely, that's what it is.

#15 of 54 Re: Jeep wheel wobble [podedwards] by mac24

Oct 22, 2010 (8:31 am)

Replying to: podedwards (Oct 20, 2010 11:01 am)
Tires on newer vehicles, Jeeps are no exception, have been bubble balanced at the factory so if you drive a new one the wheels will be balanced-sort of.
 
This is just not true. Bubble balancing hasn't been used by vehicle manufacturers since the beginning of the4 last century. All wheels/tires are dynamically by every vehicle manufacturer these days.
 
The latest development to the balancer is the Hunter GSP9700 Roadforce machine.
This has nothing to do with Goodyear and is a trademark registered to Hunter.
This machine performs many functions including balancing the wheel under load as though it was being driven on the road.
It also measures any side to side runout of the tread, and can independently measure the imbalance of the rim and the tire, allowing the the tire to be positioned at the best possible location on the rim so that little or no weight will be needed to complete the balance.
You can read all about it and find one near you here: Hunter Roadforce
(I have no connection with Hunter.)
 
My 2007 Wrangler Unlimited has 30K and no problems with vibration what so ever and don't expect any. I had the tires friction balanced after I picked it up new and have had it re-balanced 4 times...........................
............................Many people suggest complicated answers for simple problems. I don't know if they are trying to seem intelligent or they just have a love of complexity.
 
That's a rather supercilious attitude, and it's false logic to assume that because you have your wheels Roadforce balanced and have suffered no 'death wobble' symptoms, that the solution for anyone that does is to have their wheels balanced the same way and their problem will be solved.
This is problem that Jeep engineers have been working on for several years and I somehow doubt that they're prolonging the issue just to seem intelligent.
 
A steering damper should last for years so if it has not, something has damaged it-like tires not properly balanced.
 
Yes they should, and as far as I'm aware there has been no issue with steering damper failure. The problem is that the design of the JK front suspension is such that it can sometimes be tipped into an uncontrollable progressive cyclic oscillation of the front wheels.
Maybe on occasion it's triggered by imbalanced wheels, maybe by an out of tolerance wheel bearing, perhaps by a worn suspension joint.
The current fix is a redesigned steering damper which, rather like a Band-Aid over a bullet wound, masks rather than cures the problem.
 
I've also covered much of this in response to your similar post here:
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef2d28f/419#MSG419

#16 of 54 2007 Jeep Wrangler DEATH WOBBLE.....good news FINALLY =) by vikings0101

Nov 16, 2010 (4:52 pm)

Anyone out there that has been having the "death wobble" issue and are POSITIVE it is not something with the wheel mounting and balancing or the alignment and it is an honest to god mechanical issue where the entire front end of the Jeep shakes violently and uncontrollably and you have to come close to or a complete stop to be able to regain control of your Jeep then I MIGHT be able to help. I have a 2007 Wrangler with 56k miles and it is stock and I just got Chrysler to pay for the fixes needed to correct the "death wobble". It wasnt something that I had to pay for in advance and wait 12 weeks for a check that they paid for some of the charges, I called on Friday to Chrysler made an appointment at the service dept. for today and Chrysler called and took care of the charges....all of them. This ABSOLUTELY IS a problem that those at Chrysler are aware of all I had to do was mention a front end shaking and they mentioned the dreaded death wobble. It is actually an unfortunate thing that they are so aware of the problem because it has just opened them up for a huge class action lawsuit for allowing such a serious and deadly problem to go unfixed and kept swept under the rug. I was told to not give out the phone number on any public fourms actually but I would assume its a public number and it would not be right to have fellow Jeep owners to pay for this out of pocket when there is a chance that Chrysler will pay for it all for you. The number is 1-877-426-5337 after you talk to the inital customer service person they assign a case worker which they say will call back within 24 hours but my case worker called me back in about 2 and a half hours. They were all very kind and easy to work with and actually wanted to fix the problems so if you are having this trouble still give them a call and maybe you can get your death wobble issues fixed for free also.....best of luck and happy Jeeping

#17 of 54 Re: 2007 Jeep Wrangler DEATH WOBBLE.....good news FINALLY =) [vikings0101] by mac24

Nov 17, 2010 (7:04 am)

Replying to: vikings0101 (Nov 16, 2010 4:52 pm)
I have a 2007 Wrangler with 56k miles and it is stock and I just got Chrysler to pay for the fixes needed to correct the "death wobble".
 
That's interesting, and good to hear, but you've neglected to mention the most important part, which is what was done to fix the problem.

#18 of 54 Re: 2007 Jeep Wrangler DEATH WOBBLE.....good news FINALLY =) [mac24] by vikings0101

Nov 17, 2010 (7:19 pm)

Replying to: mac24 (Nov 17, 2010 7:04 am)
Dosent matter how they fixed it....take it to the service department and let them deal with it

#19 of 54 Re: 2007 Jeep Wrangler DEATH WOBBLE.....good news FINALLY =) [vikings0101] by mac24

Nov 18, 2010 (7:16 am)

Replying to: vikings0101 (Nov 17, 2010 7:19 pm)
Dosent matter how they fixed it....take it to the service department and let them deal with it
 
It may not matter to you, but there are many others who are keen to find out what the current proposed fix is.
 
I guess what you really mean is that you don't know. Fair enough.

#20 of 54 Re: 2007 Jeep Wrangler DEATH WOBBLE.....good news FINALLY =) [mac24] by erickpl

Nov 19, 2010 (1:21 pm)

Replying to: mac24 (Nov 18, 2010 7:16 am)
Nobody is messing with my vehicle unless I know what they are doing. PERIOD. I did that with my BMW's. I do that with my Avalanche and my Audi. And I do it with my TJ. They WILL explain to me what is being replaced and why it is a problem before they touch it. Any mechanic (dealer included) knows this before I let them take my vehicle.
 
It isn't their life driving it day in and day out.
 
-Paul

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