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#231 of 436 Re: Honda Passport/ Isuzu Rodeo [punkguy1978]
Jan 11, 2011 (9:09 am)
I would like Honda to buy back my Passport for what we paid for it...the ridiculous amount of $28,000 brand new back in 1998. Of course, we were getting a HONDA (so we thought) 4 wheel drive, all options, excellent reviews back then. We have had issues over the years, 4 fuel pumps, alternator x 2, brand new wheel blow out at 200 miles (we had to pay for the replacement), poor seat belts, but that is all over a 12 year period...almost 13 as we purchased it in March of 1998.
Going to call the dealer we purchased it from and get my appointment set up...I will keep you informed. As mine is drivable due to the frame swap, I am hoping I don't get jerked around. Keep you posted! Unfortunately, the ABS and air bag lights have remained on, despite being to a garage to reset the codes. Hopefully, Honda will do that for us at no charge.
Too bad they won't reimburse us for medical bills. The tranny and engine fell on my son's hand/thumb during the frame swap process, and he ended up with 3 surgeries, 6 pins and wire wrapped around the remaining bones. 50% loss of his thumb movement (of course, on first glance, they were going to amputate). He had such a bad crush injury that the bones shattered into unusable splinters. $29,000 medical bills. We were fortunate that the Hand Center in Louisville is only 20 minutes away, otherwise the outcome would have been drastically difference and much much worse. Thank goodness for insurance, but still, it cost us around $10,000. Wish we never replaced the frame. I would have loved to have the Passport towed in to Honda and stood there to see what they thought of the frame that has been denied as being as issue for 2 years now. Of course, I was the first to complain (ha ha ha ha!), and they had not hear of any complaints before or after mine (another ha ha).
#232 of 436 2001 rodeo
Jan 12, 2011 (8:10 am)
I was just offered 1500.00 when I got in the accident it was listed in kelly blue book as 6500 to 7500. This is crap I would like to start a Class action lawsuit . Anyone would like to join please respond the more people we get the more they will have to give in and give us at least 6000.00 or more . I figure there is about 3000 to 8000 people in the same boat as us.
#233 of 436 Re: 2001 rodeo [knp412]
Jan 12, 2011 (9:00 am)
Actually, 144,000 were included in the original recall, that was the original #. Later figure was approx. 188,000 affected vehicles, so you are talking about a lot of people.
I think a class action law suit would be a great idea...but what lawyer or law firm wants to take on a corporation as big as Honda America? Would be great if we could find one. Toyota bought back the Tacomas affected by the same frame rust issue (manufactured both our frames and the Tacoma frames), can't understand why Honda won't do the same. Of course, they put their badge on an Isuzu, it never was a Honda.
#234 of 436 Re: 2001 rodeo [marinaky]
Jan 12, 2011 (10:40 am)
Toyota owns part of Isuzu This vehicles were all assembled in South Carolina
but the parts were made in Japan and China. I think we could find a good lawyer if we all sign up together and/or get NHTSA to go after the real issue here of a rotten frame not rear brackets. I have spoken with Derek from NHTSA many times He was supposed to call me today . I think if we push the issue they may go after the frame instead of the brackets thats not was not the whole issue here.
#235 of 436 2001 Rodeo
Jan 12, 2011 (4:35 pm)
My son was driving my 2001 Rodeo to school and called to tell me that something was seriously wrong. When I had it towed to my mechanic the frame cracked as they were putting in on the flatbed. Mechanic stated car is a total loss. My vehicle was towed to a dealer the day the recall letter came in the mail. I was told that the bracket will not fix my damage. I have been back and forth betweeen Isuzu and dealer as Isuzu claims they have no record of the reports or photos from the dealer. Have not been given an offer as yet but I worked in insurance for twenty one years and I had an appraiser give me the fair market value for my vehicle. They said it was worth 5,500. I will not accept less than that and feel they should pay loss of use. I was going to contact an attorney if they offer less but would be interested in a class action law suit. Also talked to NHTSA and so far the frame is not part of the recall. Can't understand why if this many people are affected. Everyone needs to contact NHTSA.
#236 of 436 Re: 2001 Rodeo [jmcd2]
Jan 12, 2011 (7:21 pm)
I put in a new case/claim with the NHTSA the other day for the entire frame rot, as this bracket nonsense is not right! How can they tell me that they can put the brackets on my rotten truck frame and fulfill their 'recall' obligation, however, your truck will still not be drivable or safe???? Really! The NHTSA needs to step in here and force Isuzu and Honda to do the right thing and make this right for people who are out a perfectly good vehicle other than this....and where forced to buy a new vehicle.
#237 of 436 What more can we do?
Jan 12, 2011 (7:47 pm)
I have had my Rodeo for 9 years, I bought it brand new 12/01. Six months ago it needed some repairs, and prior to doing the repair, I asked the service dept to look at the frame before I spent the $400.00 on the engine. I was told the frame looked okay and they proceeded with the work. Now I am wondering if they really had a good look at the frame! I took my Rodeo in for the recall inspection, and was told that the frame was totally corroded. Now I am in the middle of a battle that I never could have imagined. I have had it with Isuzu and their tactics. Friday my Rodeo was not repairable and I was told I would receive an offer on Monday. Monday comes and I get a call and wouldn't you know..... a second look at the photos and my Rodeo can be repaired under the recall, but the frame is so corroded that the service manager at the dealership doesn't think he will be able to lift it up to do the repair and even if I have it repaired it will be unsafe and will not pass inspection. Furthermore, I have to sign a release stating that I know the vehicle is unsafe and should not be driven. I told Isuzu that I could not believe they would even suggest that my vehicle could be repaired, their response....the recall is for the brackets not for the frame, well if the frame is so corroded, why would you try to attach brackets to it! Isuzu is well aware of this and offered me $1500.00 (the cost of the repair) if I chose to forgo their recall remedy. I will not accept the money and I am not going to let Isuzu off the hook. If they want my car off the road, they will pay me what my car is worth! I have written a letter of complaint to the NHTSA and to the State Attorney General. Hopefully, the recall will be revisited and amended to included the entire frame. I told the dealer to go ahead with the repair. I'm ready to play their game!
Jan 13, 2011 (7:55 am)
I cannot tell you how mad I am at the manipulation of words in the letter to exclude the word "frame". instead they choose the word "area " .... area of what ?.... the frame ? Exactly where is the bracket ? is it replacing the current bracket ? or the link on the axle ? no ... ? hmmmm ? is it to reinforce the link to bracket attachment ? well no that seems to still be attached real well.... this is so clearly the frame that is the issue, however alot of the complaints were posted under suspension components ! everyone needs to post this as a structural frame issue. I beleive we are being shown how our legal system works at the moment. I cannot afford a layer or I would be all over it.... they should hope the next lottery jackpot winner is not one of us ! I too am ready to play the game. I need to know how to contact someone in NH that can help... noone seems to reply to my messages or returns my calls ? I too feel we have an open and shut case. Any judge can look at a small number of these to see that even with the potion they are putting on.... I am not an idiot... I looked this car over well... the issue is not something that is visible on the outside Even after it broke, the welder that looked at mine said " no problem " He thought it would be easy.... after a few minutes of tapping around with a hammer the frame now looks like swiss cheese ! I watched and also demonstrated the integrity of the frame and how easily what appears to be solid falls apart before your eyes !
I have been on the phone several times and would like to just take the $1500 but I feel that they are not going to be able to secue the link to the frame.... I have not given the go ahead yet. I am in if anyone needs more pictures or a statement... or witness.... I may go down and make a video of my frame and the "area" the recall is speaking of... because the bracket is not the issue !
#239 of 436 Re: What more can we do? [madinmass]
Jan 13, 2011 (8:27 am)
From what I understand, and I could be wrong, but if a garage or a mechanic knowingly releases an unsafe vehicle back to the owner, and an accident occurs, that garage or mechanic is liable. So don't sign anything stating you know the vehicle is unsafe...they are just covering their butts and trying to get around a federal law, which is illegal. There is no way that brackets on these rusted frames are going to make it safe. There is NO GOOD METAL to braze or weld any type of bracket to. The rust has not been caused by salt on the roads, the rust stated inside the frame and worked its way out. I know, because when we did our frame swap, it was very obvious by the flaking off of the layers of metal. The inside of the frame was worse than what was visible on the outside of the frame. It flakes off in huge pieces, layers, if you would, and crumbles into metallic dust. So don't let them try and talk you into anything. They know this, and the offer they are giving to everyone is ridiculous. Honda and Isuzu know that they should do the right thing, but by offering a small amount of money, they are hoping to appease the buyers and make us all go away. Guess what, we are not going away. I have been after Honda about this since January of '09. I still haven't gone away. Honda and Isuzu should offer each owner what the Kelley blue book value of the vehicle is, that is the right thing to do. Will they? Not unless we all continue to call and complaint and push this forward. We all are hoping for a class action law suit, but again, where do we begin and how do we get a lawyer? We are 144,000-188,000 strong, enough affected owners to warrant a class action law suit, and make ourselves heard... I have contacted a few lawyers in Louisville, no one wants to take on Honda America. WE NEED A LAWYER WITH A BACKBONE, who is willing to go to battle for us. We are the ones who stand to lose something. We have lost something, our vehicles, and our faith in Honda and Isuzu. We bought these vehicles in good faith, at a large price tag, and now they are worthless because Isuzu wasn't smart enough to chose a reliable supplier of frames.
#240 of 436 Re: What more can we do? [marinaky]
Jan 13, 2011 (8:29 am)
One more thing, the rear coils of our rusted out frame went through the frame into the body of the Passport, due to rust, of course. There is more danger here than just the trailing arms rusting off. Even if you have a vehicle that has a trailing arm that can be repaired, have the coil area checked too...