Article Comments - 2010 Volvo XC60 Full Test

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2010 Volvo XC60 Full Test -
Bottom Line: A capable, compact premium SUV that handles well and steals looks.(more)

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#6 of 45 Re: Article Comments - 2010 Volvo XC60 Full Test [calhon] by rosedale Jun 09, 2009 (2:04 pm)
Replying to: calhon (Jun 08, 2009 10:02 pm) File this as a missive from the Peanut Gallery but in haughty Westchester County NY in the dark days of March, the full incentive price for '08 XC70 was about $28K. All I know is it had leather and my wife and I didnt' like it. I see now that '09XC70 is listed at $34k off of $42k MSRP at the same dealership Replies to this message: calhon (Jun 09, 2009 6:19 pm) blckislandguy (Jun 09, 2009 7:20 pm) calhon (Jun 09, 2009 9:43 pm)
#7 of 45 Re: Article Comments - 2010 Volvo XC60 Full Test [rosedale] by calhon Jun 09, 2009 (6:19 pm)
Replying to: rosedale (Jun 09, 2009 2:04 pm) March was only 4 months away from the start of the 2010 model year, so I'm not surprised that an '08 XC70 would be very deeply discounted. Afterall, it's nearly 2 years old. The '09 example isn't suprising either, because there's an upfront $5250 discount from Volvo. An XC70 3.2 with just the premium and climate packages has an MSRP of about $42K. You saw one discounted to $34K. Bickislandguy claimed new, fully-loaded XC70s (MSRP $50K plus) are readily available for $31-32K. Replies to this message: blckislandguy (Jun 09, 2009 7:20 pm) calhon (Jun 09, 2009 9:43 pm)
#8 of 45 Re: Article Comments - 2010 Volvo XC60 Full Test [calhon] by blckislandguy Jun 09, 2009 (7:20 pm)
Replying to: calhon (Jun 09, 2009 6:19 pm) Calhon, let me change focus a bit. How do you think that the XC60 AWD in base and T6 format and the XC670 in base and T6 format will play out. Is there enough room in the "Volvo space" for four AWD wagons all very close in price? (Maybe all within 10K when the dust settles?) I wonder why Volvo doesn't back off the % of power going to the front wheels in normal operation (something like 90%??)? Wouldn't it give it a more sporting feel, a feel more competitive with other European wagons? Our 2001 XC70 is so-boring to drive because of that. Finally, wouldn't the absolute best deal now in Volvo-wagonland be a gently used, certified 2007 (second generation body syle) XC70? Both the new style XC70 and the brand new XC60 must be killing its resale. Replies to this message: calhon (Jun 09, 2009 9:43 pm)
#9 of 45 Re: Article Comments - 2010 Volvo XC60 Full Test [blckislandguy] by calhon Jun 09, 2009 (9:43 pm)
Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 09, 2009 7:20 pm) I think the XC60 and XC/V70 will appeal to different demographics. That's certainly Volvo's intent. People have been moving away from traditional wagons to SUVs/CUVs since the nineties; leaving behind a small group of predominantly late forties and older buyers in wagons. Consequently, XC70 and (especially) V70 owners are among the oldest Volvo buyers. The XC60 should attract relatively younger buyers (late twenties to mid-forties) from other brands, people moving up from the C30, S40; and people who are downsizing from the XC90. S40 owners, for example, are relatively young, and few of them are interested in an XC70. Until the new S60 arrives, there isn't a good place for them to land in the Volvo line-up, except the XC60. I think the lack of sportiness in the XC70 is due way more to the overall chassis design and settings than the amount of rear wheel bias in the AWD system. The numb and somewhat vague steering on your 2001 is also a significant factor. The XC60, by all accounts is a much sportier ride, yet it uses the same front-to-rear AWD bias. There are plenty of good deals on used Volvos, including 2008 XC70s, which are much more refined in every way than the previous generation.
#10 of 45 Re: Article Comments - 2010 Volvo XC60 Full Test [blckislandguy] by volvomax Jun 10, 2009 (12:56 pm)
Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 08, 2009 7:04 pm) the XC70 is a niche product at this point. The people that buy them don't want an SUV. XC60 is aimed at people who WANT an SUV. The fact that the XC70 carries the incentives it carries and the XC60 doesn't speaks to the relative strengths of each model. Replies to this message: jtla (Jun 10, 2009 1:05 pm) volvomax (Jun 16, 2009 2:38 pm) jtla (Jun 16, 2009 6:42 pm) and 5 more... blckislandguy (Jun 10, 2009 5:32 pm) volvomax (Jun 16, 2009 2:43 pm) 10scoachrick (Jun 14, 2009 11:23 am) blckislandguy (Jun 14, 2009 5:43 pm) 10scoachrick (Jun 15, 2009 3:56 pm)
#11 of 45 Re: Article Comments - 2010 Volvo XC60 Full Test [volvomax] by jtla Jun 10, 2009 (1:05 pm)
Replying to: volvomax (Jun 10, 2009 12:56 pm) Hi Volvomax, Now that you joined the discussion, can you shed some light on whether Volvo will add a 3.2 FWD/AWD model to the XC60 lineup, and if so, its time frame and possible pricing? Thanks in advance. Replies to this message: volvomax (Jun 16, 2009 2:38 pm) jtla (Jun 16, 2009 6:42 pm) volvomax (Jun 17, 2009 8:08 am) and 4 more...
#12 of 45 Re: Article Comments - 2010 Volvo XC60 Full Test [volvomax] by blckislandguy Jun 10, 2009 (5:32 pm)
Replying to: volvomax (Jun 10, 2009 12:56 pm) Excellent point. Someone (like me) who complains about the high price of an XC60 and its small size compared to a XC70 is really saying that he would be happier in a Buick than a BMW! I didn't realize how old I am getting. The way that Volvo bundles the options is interesting. Leather and the sunroof (for now) are free on the XC60 but you have to pop $3000 to get leather (and a sunroof) on the XC70. Want Zenons on your Volvo? No problem, its only $800 on an XC60. Want them on your XC70 and it will cost you $2250 and include the better sterio. The "convenience" package baffles me. I don't see a dime of value in the entire $1000++ package. Who needs a sunglass holder, for example? All in all, I think that I would order the XC60 T6 with zenons, metallic paint and climate (I live in New England). Once they start discounting these, I think it would be a nice, nimble reasonably quick car for a lot less than an XC70. Replies to this message: volvomax (Jun 16, 2009 2:43 pm)
#14 of 45 mag reviews by qbrozen Jun 11, 2009 (11:17 am)
Several comparisons have been printed this month. Volvo has ousted the RX350, which I think is a major win for Volvo. But, its been losing to the Q5. These same results were found by 2 different mags (wish i could remember which 2). Replies to this message: jtla (Jun 11, 2009 3:22 pm) qbrozen (Jun 12, 2009 10:29 am) volvomax (Jun 16, 2009 2:56 pm)
#15 of 45 Re: mag reviews [qbrozen] by jtla Jun 11, 2009 (3:22 pm)
Replying to: qbrozen (Jun 11, 2009 11:17 am) The 2 magazines are Car & Driver and Motor Trend. In the C&D comparo, the XC60 was placed 3rd, losing to the 2nd-place BMW X3 by, if memory serves me right, a mere 1 point. However, by reading the text and test data (the performance section), XC60 clearly won over X3, IMHO. Replies to this message: qbrozen (Jun 12, 2009 10:29 am) volvomax (Jun 16, 2009 2:56 pm)