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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 23, 2009 4:54 pm) Without Israel there would insanely less problems in the region today. Notice how few issues were present there until after WW2. Notice how the west was not hated there until a certain state was born. No coincidence. Another British crime against humanity that creates chaos to this day. I don't see why the conservatives embrace Israel, as it is a welfare state by definition of its existence, and they hate welfare states. Of course, the GOP is 100% controlled by the Israel-firsters - and virtually no conservatives will admit it. The same people who cry about giving a hundred billion to a sickly industry will give 3 billion a year - year in, year out - to a nation which gives virtually nothing in return. We had no legitimate right to meddle with Germany and Japan to begin with. We goaded them to declare war because our leaders lacked the balls, and then we committed and/or enabled genocide against them. All in the name of forced submission into a globalized one world order. I'd rather rebuild those nations - which have given so much to the world in terms of progress and invention, than give endless billions to Israel , who contributes nothing to humanity. Do you see the hypocrisy in Israel having such strict immigration rules, while the Israel-firsters of the world are the ones who create the insane immigration policies elsewhere? Give everyone else a huge problem to work with, so maybe you will come out on top in the end. Not that I claim it is some kind of strategy...
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 23, 2009 5:17 pm) I have already said I do not agree with Israeli Politics. However to dump on them in favor of terrorist that hate US with a passion does not seem very smart to me. When you say we got along fine with the Arab World prior to Israel, that leaves out a big part of the issue. We get along fine with the Kings, Sheiks and dictators in the Arab World, mostly. There has NEVER been any love lost between the Western World and the Militant Islamist dating back over a hundred years. We were fighting them in the Philippines prior to WW1. Our current politcal correctness concerning Islamic militants is going to bite US in the butt. Heck the World has been fighting them since they came into existence 1300 years ago. I don't really see your link between Israel and globalism. They are not a manufacturing base we depend on. They have NO resources to speak of. They are basically our eyes and ears in the region. Maybe Obama will pull the plug on them and make you happy. I don't think it will help the price of oil much. 
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 23, 2009 8:47 pm) We sent our manufacturing base to the rebuilding of areas we destroyed out of vengeance more than anything? Please, study "operation paperclip" and the like - a key goal of the war was to hijack technology. We stole a lot more than we loaned back. Many "allied" factions were licking their chops for war from the mid 30s onwards. Giving endless material aid to the Brits and Soviets, and the sanctions against Japan were also tacit acts of war that some knew would be answered. We made a mess. We enabled the reds to move west as they had been trying since 1920, and now we get to hold them off. It's accountability, something rarely seen in American policy. If we are to strut around with a moral high ground position when facing the world, we must have our actions justify it. We have to put up or shut up. There was never any formidable militant Islamic threat until after WW2. Let them fight it out in their own land, we shouldn't be bankrolling an artificial state based on land taken from them - that's what causes the hate. They'd have no reason to attack us if we did not ask for it. The Israel-firsters are the ones who built modern globalization. The Kissingers, Warburgs, and Morgenthaus etc of the world. It's a way to make the first world spend more money it doesn't have, and submit to destructive demographic policies it should not have. Our eyes and ears? They spy on us, they have attacked our soldiers, then they cry auntie something or other if anyone complains. Those eyes and ears are blind and deaf when it comes to giving anything of value. Barry won't pull the plug...he's on the puppet strings as much as his opposition. No candidate allowed to become viable would dare to cut that leash (and one can debate if the US holds the leash, or if Israel holds it...). AIPAC is the most powerful lobby in the land. Billions a year for eons. Maybe he does think he can be friends...I saw McCain claiming about his soft stance too...but the codger didn't offer his own tougher statement...and his old running mate probably couldn't find Tehran on a map.
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 24, 2009 6:12 am) That is why we have GPS guidance on our ICBMs.  From your posts, my guess is we both have the same German heritage. While I do not disagree on much of the past with reference to Europe and Japan. This whole idea of globalization being a product of specific people in our government does not seem feasible. I think it is a natural progression. Where we differ it would seem is basic party philosophy. Being a fiscal Conservative small government advocate, I just cannot get behind the welfare state we have become. I don't believe those on welfare should have the right to vote. They are not contributing so they should have no say in what happens. The FACT that the Democrats cater to the welfare vote, really turns me off. Obama and his ACORN bunch will cause a much worse end result on our country than the globalization you seem very worried about. Creating more government jobs is an illusion of bolstering the economy. As far as WW2 is concerned, it was FDR's last ditch effort to get US out of a Depression he did much to prolong. It was the beginning the Welfare state we are now having a tough time keeping afloat. Bankruptcy looms for US all. At least we have cheap TVs and Computers from China to while away the hours until the total economy crashes.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 24, 2009 7:31 am)  I just don't see globalization as we see it today as naturally evolving. A few people worked very hard to get this ball rolling in the modern/postwar era. I don't believe in coincidence and random chance on such a large scale. It's a tool used for political ambitions as well. I too am against a welfare state, and I don't disagree with your voting rights ideas - it should be based around taxpaying in some way, too. Fiscal conservatism and social moderation can coexist. However, I can't say only the Dems chase the welfare vote...each side chases a certain group of voters low on the economic scale, and there are quite a few who vote for what is called "right" who use public funds. War is always seen as a way to cure economic problems...but those who claim such never realize the cure can be worse than the disease, especially if they think in the long term - which American politicos and corporations both have been unable to do for decades. The controllers of the economy are pretty good at propping up their wallpaper fiat and keeping the illusion alive. The real crash might not happen in either of our lifetimes. I am amazed inflation has been kept away as long as it has.
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 24, 2009 9:20 am) I think that tight lending since the housing bubble burst has helped keep it under control. Maybe not for long. Barney Frank is calling for Freddie and Fannie to loosen the reins on lending. That cannot possibly help our debt ridden country. I agree that our boom times over the last 3 decades were a well orchestrated illusion. As long as the banks have plenty of funny money from the Feds the illusion will remain. Warren Buffett says our economy is a shambles with no recovery in sight. Yet he likes Bernanke and Geithner, strange. At least he is not buying into the Cap n Trade debacle we are headed for. Buffett repeated his criticism of "cap and trade" as a method to control pollution, saying it would be a huge, regressive tax. You and I will pay for any tax that is imposed. The rich and the poor always get a free ride.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 24, 2009 9:36 am) The boom over the past decade has been especially false, as was the one at the end of the 90s, and in the mid 80s. Prosperity built on debt is not true prosperity. If I go max out my credit cards and buy a pile of cool gadgets, my standard of living isn't truly rising, once one looks to the long term when the debts become due. Buffett is right about the economy. This great recession is not going to suddenly just end. It's going to become part of future normalcy more than just vanish. Is it really a recession, or simply more people getting back to living within their means? (even if not by choice) Cap and trade - another method for the globalists to bring down the first world a little more. Make it that much more expensive to do business in developed regions, so business can be offshored and then pressures can drive down standards here.. What a coincidence.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 24, 2009 9:36 am) Jack Welch is in his corner too. (Financial Times).
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