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#870 of 879 Re: Palin appeals to the working class in America [gagrice] by fintail Nov 22, 2009 (5:01 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 22, 2009 2:34 pm) The 1993 WTC incident came a month into the Clinton regime. Hard to blame him for that, just as it is hard to blame Dubya for 9/11....although the elephants had Congress for around 7 years at that time and didn't seem to put any pressure on national security agencies to talk to each other. Hell, I have no faith that they do so today ...more public sector employees who are impossible to fire and are just looking forward to collecting an unjustifiable and undeserved pension when they retire before similarly aged real world workers. I wouldn't trust these guys to catch a cold.   The US entered WW1 and WW2 at the behest of the British, who IIRC also were behind the defective data regarding the second Iraq war. Perhaps we should be blaming the limeys instead of each other Replies to this message: gagrice (Nov 22, 2009 6:13 pm)
#871 of 879 Government waste at all levels [fintail] by gagrice Nov 22, 2009 (6:13 pm)
Replying to: fintail (Nov 22, 2009 5:01 pm) I agree with you on all points. I might add the latest incident in TX tells US the agencies are not working together any better than they ever have. They are all out to protect their turf. Consequently 13 people died at the hands of an Islamic extremist that should have gotten run out of the military before we wasted $1000s educating him. Why did the bunch at Walter Reed ignore his Islamic rants? Why did the Army promote him and transfer him to TX? Why did the FBI ignore his ties to known Islamic terror groups? Now we will spend $MILLIONS protecting his rights. What about the rights of those he murdered?   I really cannot think of anything the US government does that could not be done cheaper and better with competitive bids and contractors. Including fighting our wars. We don't need 40,000 more troops as Taliban targets in Afghanistan. We just need a few gungho contractors without any agenda other than killing the enemy. The Army chain of command has probably killed more of our troops than the enemy has. When you have the enemy in your cross hairs you need to pull the trigger. Not wait 48 hours for permission from some fat A** General in Washington. I know for a fact that is a big part of the problem.
#872 of 879 Clinton by imidazol97 Nov 22, 2009 (6:37 pm)
Don't forget Clinton had the opportunities to eliminate the Osama problem. Instead he's playing footsie with interns and others. And he's bombing aspirin factories to look like he's doing something and take attention off his intern and her stained dress.   The latest terroristic attach at Ft. Hood is being mislabeled by the gov and the media to avoid admitting there are problems with using kid gloves on certain people based on religion. I have no doubt if this were to have happened with George X. Bush at the helm, the media would refer to it as terrorism allowed through by the government of the Republican kind.
#873 of 879 Madison by steve_ HOST Nov 22, 2009 (6:50 pm)
It was all his fault for declaring war on the Brits in 1812 and they wound up burning most of Washington down, with heavy damage to the White House and Capitol.   The guy did have the states' rights advocates figured out though.
#874 of 879 Re: Palin appeals to the working class in America [gagrice] by srs_49 Nov 23, 2009 (4:08 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 22, 2009 2:34 pm) I'm not sure of the significance there   The significance is that you are constantly criticizing the present administration because it has not been able to correct for the 8 years of fiscal and foreign policy mismanagement of the past administration in the 10 months it has been in office, yet blissfully ignoring the failure that led to 9/11 9 months into the past administration's first term.   So what is it, is 9 months enough time (at which point you accept responsibility) or not? Or is it that 9 months was not enough time for the Bush administration but should be adequate for Obama's?   Maybe if we had Homeland security and agencies sharing information prior to 9/11 it would never have happened   Maybe, maybe not. I sort of doubt it. If those agencies (FBI primarily) could not connect the dots when several Mid-Eastern men were taking flying lessons and expressed no desire to learn how to land a plane, I have little faith that more sharing of information would have made any difference. Only thing that would have happened is that more innocent US citizens would have dossiers opened up on them.   I do not think Timothy McVeigh's activities prior to the bombing would have led to any kind of investigation, no matter how much sharing of information was done.   Wiretapping is hardly a new thing on private citizens   An agent in DC can tap your line most anywhere in the country with a few key strokes. All the devices for detection are worthless when it is done in the digital stream   I am well aware of that. But warrantless wiretapping and monitoring of emails and bank records is not ( a new thing, that is), at least on the scale practiced by several 3-letter acronym agencies at the direction of the President.
#875 of 879 Re: Palin appeals to the working class in America [jimbres] by srs_49 Nov 23, 2009 (4:14 am)
Replying to: jimbres (Nov 22, 2009 3:47 pm) Have you forgotten the Clipper chip? If the Clinton Administration, which pushed hard for this, had gotten its way,   I am aware of the history of the Clipper chip. If I remember correctly, if was one of those 3-letter acronym govt agencies that was pushing for it, not the Clinton administration itself. They were concerned that their historical ability to monitor communications would be compromised if other means of data/voice encryption came to be widely used. Hence, they wanted the Clipper chip with it's Skipjack algorithm which they would hold back door keys for.
#876 of 879 More on Palin Power from LA Times. by gagrice Nov 23, 2009 (6:59 am)
Not that it matters politically because obviously she's a female Republican dunce and he's a male Democrat genius.   But Sarah Palin's poll numbers are strengthening.   And Barack Obama's are sliding.   Guess what? They're about to meet in the 40's.   Depending, of course, on which recent set of numbers you peruse and how the questions are phrased, 307 days into his allotted 1,461 the 44th president's approval rating among Americans has slid to 49% or 48%, showing no popularity bounce from his many happy trips, foreign and domestic.   Riding the wave of immense publicity and symbiotic media interest over her new book, "Going Rogue," and the accompanying promotional tour, Palin's favorable ratings are now at 43%, according to ABC. That's up from 40% in July.   One poll even gives her a 47% favorable.   If she somehow mobilized Iowa's white evangelicals as Mike Huckabee did to win the 2008 season-opening caucus, many bets would be off about her unelectability. Right now, Palin holds 65% approval among white evangelical Protestants, not a bad place to start, if she decides to.   That same ABC poll finds Palin's GOP approval right around 76%, 45% among independents and a surprisingly substantial 21% among Democrats. Among self-described liberals she's seen favorably by a slightly larger 22%, among moderates 38% and among conservatives 60%.   Anyway, Palin says 2012's not on her radar. Which is a good idea. The year 2010 is much more important for both of these political personalities.   No longer holding any office and personally set financially by the book's runaway success, Palin can devote her SarahPac and the entire year to collecting chits from local Republicans.   As Mitt Romney has already been quietly doing. Other Republicans will no doubt nominate themselves to join along the way, especially if Obama looks vulnerable after November 2010.   Although presidential incumbency has hardly kept Obama chained to the Oval Office, he and Joe Biden now own the U.S. economy, where their much-vaunted $787 billion economic stimulus package has so far stimulated unemployment to grow by a quarter from 8% to more than 10%.   Palintology Replies to this message: fintail (Nov 23, 2009 8:51 am)
#877 of 879 Who is dividing this Country? by gagrice Nov 23, 2009 (8:44 am)
I see Obama as the top of the list when it comes to divisive leaders. While the billboard in Colorado may be over the top. I believe at the very least that Barack Obama is African first and American second. That is not the way it should be. I am not as concerned with where he was born. I am more concerned about his beliefs. I believe from his speeches abroad that he is anti-American.   Anti-Obama billboard stirs controversy   WHEAT RIDGE, Colo. - Call it Freedom of Speech. A billboard recently erected in Wheat Ridge compares President Barack Obama to a terrorist and questions his U.S. citizenship.   The billboard, located at 4855 Miller Road, shows two cartoonish images of Obama wearing a Muslim turban and reads "PRESIDENT or JIHAD?"   It also says "BIRTH CERTIFICATE - PROVE IT!" alluding to the conspiracy theory which claims Barack Obama was born in Kenya rather than Hawaii, which would disqualify him for the office of President.   The words "WAKE UP AMERICA! REMEMBER FT. HOOD!" appear on the bottom of the billboard.   The sign belongs to a car dealership. that makes it appropriate for Edmund's.   http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-obama-billboard-112009,0,2612065.story Replies to this message: fintail (Nov 23, 2009 8:48 am)
#878 of 879 Re: Who is dividing this Country? [gagrice] by fintail Nov 23, 2009 (8:48 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 23, 2009 8:44 am) Nobody looks to Colorado when seeking progress or logic. The birthers are arguably the most ridiculous people in the country. People who also scream about "socialism", but couldn't define the term if a gun was pointed at their head. Probably an inherited car dealership, too.
#879 of 879 Re: More on Palin Power from LA Times. [gagrice] by fintail Nov 23, 2009 (8:51 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 23, 2009 6:59 am) If 76% of the GOP approve of her, the GOP has no future. Are they that desperate for a figure, and is nobody else in the party better? I find it hard to believe. It's kind of sad.   Easily the least credible American political figure since Dan Quayle. People must have forgot what happens when she opens her mouth about any subject of import. Proving the incompetency of millions of Americans and the weakness of the American education system.   She's as Rogue as a Nissan Rogue...just another media whore clone in a new suit.

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