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You are in the Toyota Corolla
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Toyota Corolla, Steering, Sedan
#560 of 667 Re: 2007 Santa Fe vs. 2010 Corolla Steering [sjarea]
Dec 31, 2010 (5:12 am)
"I have never ever had a problem buying the two previous brand new toyotas from stock off the lot after driving their test models(or from any other manufacturer and I have bought lots of new cars over all my years and most people I know do it exactly as I do and also do not have any problems)".
Well you have never had a problem until now did you? To each his own, but I would never settle on a $20,000 purchase without checking out or test driving my purchase first. I think your dead wrong that most people will spend $20,000 without a test drive of their particular vehicle first.
"Why should a test model drive or steer any different than the one I am going to buy"
Well it shouldn’t but sh*t happens you know. Why does one banana in a bunch go brown and the others don’t? Why do you get one flat tire at a time and not all four? Some cars come off the assembly line with problems because assemblers and even machines are not perfect my friend. Do you think a dealer would want you to test drive one of these particular vehicles with the EPS problem or do you think he would pick-out a problem free car for you to test drive? If he wants to sell you a car he’s gonna want you to test drive the cream of his inventory not a lemon.
#561 of 667 Re: 2007 Santa Fe vs. 2010 Corolla Steering [terceltom]
Dec 31, 2010 (7:12 am)
Do you think a dealer would want you to test drive one of these particular vehicles with the EPS problem or do you think he would pick-out a problem free car for you to test drive? If he wants to sell you a car he’s gonna want you to test drive the cream of his inventory not a lemon.
Yes! That is exactly what I am saying. They picked the test models. Toyota had knowledge of this issue for almost 2yrs until the fix came out. It was an issue not only on the corolla, but other models that had the same EPS controls. They initially told people a myraid of excuses that caused it or said they did not know of the issue. It took an NHTSA investigation into this issue before they started to address it(six months after the investigatoin opened they came out w/ a fix. Shocker. NOT.).
So, yes, they picked test models they knew in advance that did not have the EPS issue and let people drive of the lots w/ cars they did or did not know had the issue directly even though they knew such and issue existed IMO.
Also, anyone can go into the NHSTA Database and pull summaries of people that said they tested the one the bought and still did not find out until later. So, if a buyer is unaware of the issue and the dealer does not even acknowledge the issue when they have known something was up for two years then of course they are going to pull models w/out the issue and let people test drive that one.
Therefore I still do not buy what you're selling about whether I should test the car I buy. It is not as 'slam dunkable' as you try to make it seem. It just makes no sense in light of everthing else.
Why? Because toyota decided that they should go w/ chips in the EPS module that were NOT flash change enabled. That is a cheaper option than going w/ a chip (EEPROM) that are flashable. Meaning there is not way the replace or update the chip in the EPS module thus it has to be replaced which is costing them money!
Like you say - stuff happens.
#562 of 667 Re: 2007 Santa Fe vs. 2010 Corolla Steering [sjarea]
Jan 03, 2011 (8:28 pm)
The new Corolla is garbage, they would have trouble selling them if without the Toyota name. I rented one in Fla. On a 2 hour drive on I95 and I4 which are very smooth the steering required constant correction. On an empty road I drove 15 MPH with my hands off the wheel and the car went straight so it was not an alignment issue. The car always felt like it was bobbing up and down gently but the road was smooth and the brakes are awful. It seems like the first touch of the brakes does nothing.
I have driven an '07 Rav4 which is on a Corolla platform and the steering had no problems at all.
The only good thing I can say about the Corolla's steering was that it was the same at 75 as it was at 55.
#563 of 667 Re: 2007 Santa Fe vs. 2010 Corolla Steering [sjarea]
Jan 04, 2011 (5:36 pm)
So why then did you allow him to have you test drive a hand picked cream of the crop car instead of the same lemon you wound up with?
#564 of 667 Re: 2007 Santa Fe vs. 2010 Corolla Steering [terceltom]
Jan 06, 2011 (6:15 pm)
For the same reason they picked a corolla w/out an EPS for me to test drive.
They wanted to sell one and I wanted to buy one.
And the way your question is phrased makes it sound like I knew of the issue before hand. I did not. You have stated you own an '09. Did you know of this issue before you tested one? Of course you didn't. So, how would you have tested for it? You can't.
If I do not know about the issue how am I supposed to test or look for it? Otherwise I would never have 'allowed' them.
No one except those that endlessly believe toyota can never do any wrong would 'allow' that wouldn't they? I don't know anyone like that. Do you?
However, Toyota knew of the issue for almost 1.5yrs which is why they picked the one they did. Of course, with that knowledge toyota was allowed to sell me one w/ out the issue. Unfortunately, they did not allow that to happen. And unfortunately for toyota based on smallcar1 they are allowing them to be rented out as well. Ouch.
#565 of 667 Re: 2007 Santa Fe vs. 2010 Corolla Steering [smallcar1]
Jan 06, 2011 (5:51 pm)
Sounds like the new model corolla you rented had the EPS issue. You describe the symptoms to a T. I am also not surprised they are being rented w/ the issue. While I think that is a bad move to allow the rentals to make that impression on people(because that is exactly what it is going to do) I am not surprised....
I would assume the reason the 07 Rav doesn't have the issue even though it is one the same chassis is because the Rav has hydraulic power steering and not EPS. Do you know if the 07 Rav is hydraulic or EPS?
#566 of 667 Re: 2007 Santa Fe vs. 2010 Corolla Steering [sjarea]
Jan 06, 2011 (6:12 pm)
All 2009 and 2010 Corollas have EPS.
Actually I did know of the EPS problem in some of the new 2009 Corollas, that's why I insisted on test driving the same vehicle I was going to purchase. This is also why I don't have a single issue with my EPS or any other problem. Now whether or not you knew of the EPS issue in some new Corollas beforehand or not, if you would have test driven the same vehicle you were going to purchase I assume you would have caught the problem in the particular car you have now, correct?
#567 of 667 Re: 2007 Santa Fe vs. 2010 Corolla Steering [terceltom]
Jan 06, 2011 (6:24 pm)
Thats a pretty fast response there TercelTom.
HOW did you know the 09 had an EPS issue?
Whether I knew or not (which I did not know toyota had EPS issues) does NOT matter nor is is now a 'new' issue.
Toyota knew of the issue and continued to sell the cars. Period.
Again, if you knew HOW and if you knew why didn't toyota?
#568 of 667 Re: 2007 Santa Fe vs. 2010 Corolla Steering [terceltom]
Jan 07, 2011 (9:19 am)
"if you would have test driven the same vehicle you were going to purchase I assume you would have caught the problem in the particular car you have now, correct?"
No. That is incorrect. I have already pointed out numerous times such as dealers picking cars that did NOT have the EPS issue so a buyer did not know what to even look for IMO, searching in the NHTSA/ODI database, posters here and on other sites showing very clearly that people did NOT catch the problem on the vehicle they bought. So, that is four instances you can look at to see that even those that tested the vehicle they bought they did not notice the EPS. I am unclear as to why you seem to be stuck on that point.
Yet, you somehow caught it before toyota even admitted it.
Again, HOW did you know there was and EPS issue on the 09's (when toyota would not admit the problem until spring '10) and if you knew why didn't Toyota?
#569 of 667 Re: 2007 Santa Fe vs. 2010 Corolla Steering [sjarea]
Jan 07, 2011 (12:05 pm)
Your missing the whole point. The EPS problems in some of the newer Corollas didn't just appear on its own. If you car has this problem, it had it from day one. The vehicles that have the EPS problem, had it from the very start. Now again, if you test drove the same Corolla you were going to buy, trust me, you would have known it had you taken it out on the highway as part of your test drive. On the other hand, if you test drove a demo that was a plant from Toyota as you claim, and then decided that you were going to buy a different Corolla all together, based on that test drive, I would say that was wrong and that's what I'm trying to tell you. You should always test drive the car your actually going to buy, not a demo/plant.
As far as my own particular 2009 Toyota Corolla XLE, I accuired my car in July of 2008. Even at this early stage it was documented by some that this EPS problem was showing it's face. I asked my salesman about it before I even stepped into a Corolla. Of course he didn't know anything about it. So I made it a point to order my vehicle with all possible options and accdesories that were available. I made it very clear to my salesman that my deal was dependant on my car being totally free from any defects or steering problems when it arrived from the factory. When my car came in I took it for a thourough 30 minute test drive to verify it was in perfect condition. It was free from any EPS problem or any problem whatsoever for that matter. Hence, I bought my car. To this day I have not had to return to the dealership except for the recalls that were taken care of pronto. My car is in perfect condition because I tested it before I put my money in the dealers hands.