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Toyota Corolla, Steering, Sedan
#299 of 667 Re: Corolla power steering [thegraduate]
Aug 04, 2010 (6:52 am)
TERCEL IM CONFUSED...IF YOU HAVE DISLIKED TOYOTAS FOR THAT LONG WHY DO YOU COME TO EDMUNDS TO TALK ABOUT THEM? wups sorry for caps. Anyway the reason a lot of us came to the site is because we had a problem and were seeking information and banding together to see if theres anything anyone else knows about the problem. If you think Toyotas been a raw deal forever and then if you have one get rid of it and then you dont have to worry about anymore. I on the other hand have a brand knew Toyota for 3 yrs now as I have owed 2 since 2008 and both had this problem. EPS is a new feature and it was a defective one. Toyota if you didnt realize was voted the safest and most economical car prior to 2008 so that being said I got "the fix" which was the brand new steering EPS computer module replacement and Im trying to let every know my experience which is that the repair has me very satisified to the point I would be willing ot go buy another 2010 Toyota as every other feature is superb but of course when i go to buy it Im going to get on the highway and see if the car meanders at all and if so I will tell the dealer replace the module and i will be back to buy the car. So again if you think Toyotas stink and always have then why are you here?
#300 of 667 Re: Corolla power steering [pekelvr]
Aug 04, 2010 (6:57 am)
Check the usernames again there, boss.
#301 of 667 Re: Corolla power steering [pekelvr]
Aug 04, 2010 (7:38 am)
Enough already with the caps! I'm Terceltom and I enjoy Toyota's to the point where I currently own three Corollas and wouldn't part with any of them. Now, I would ask you, if you disliked your 2008 Corolla so much to the point where you wanted to sue Toyota, why did you buy a 2010 Corolla ????? And again, your 2008 did not have EPS so where are you coming from?????
#302 of 667 Re: Corolla power steering [terceltom]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Aug 04, 2010 (7:40 am)
Yeah - all caps (and excessive punctuation!!!!) often have the opposite of the intended effect, in that people avoided reading them altogether rather than take special note.
To no member in particular: let's be careful not to make this personal. It isn't yet. Just a pre-warning.
#303 of 667 Re: Corolla power steering [kirstie_h]
Aug 04, 2010 (8:48 am)
So how about those Cubs?
Anyway - Thought I'd survey what amount you would accept if you sold your car to the NHTSA for testing...Also, post what type of trim you own for comparison purposes (ie. S model)
My particular case I found dealer wholesale to range from $13600-$14375, private party $15600-$16200, and retail $17250-17800.
The NHTSA indicated that they would usually offer to buy a vehicle for a "fair and reasonable" price based on the valuations from the 3 major used vehicle appraisal companies (Edmunds, KBB, NADA). With this in mind, I would think if there were only 1 car in the running, they would offer something close to private party value.
Also consider that you will lose the tax credit by selling privately and not trading in the vehicle...in my case, if a dealer offers $13600, that results in a savings of $884. So a private party sale would have to be at least $884 higher to be advantageous.
The wild card is I don't know how desperate the other seller is...heck, they might sell the car for $12k just to wash their hands of the deal...
#304 of 667 Re: Corolla power steering [pekelvr]
Aug 04, 2010 (9:24 am)
Pekelvr What are you trying to say? I know theres a lot more to the driving problems than just veering on the highway and straight roads. Toyota admitted in a press statement which I can easily find or anyone else for that matter that the "fix" did not affect road handling. I wouldn't believe anyone who said that it does either. Column mounted electric steering in which there is a variable relationship rather than consistant between the steering wheel and wheels on the car is not going to handle well period. It is a characteristic of the type of steering system. I don't know how anyone could say they think it handles well. It's not like a different flavor of ice cream. I'm not just unhappy about highway veering. I'm unhappy about the general road handling. The inability to make sharp turns, which is something every car that I have driven over the last 20 years has been able to do except this one. The constant sluggish feel when I attempt to maneuver the car whether for a lane change or a turn which is similar to the feel of having four tires being partially submerged in muddy ground. the loose wobbly feeling at low speeds from having tpo overcompensate with the steering wheel to an excessive degree in order to attempt to keep the car moving in a straight line. This is column mounted electric steering in general on the Corollas. This is not one vehicle out of a million. Someone might have a different definition of handling I suppose. My grandmother for example, whom I love very dearly but has very different ideas about driving than I do. She doesn't believe in driving more than 20 miles per hour and never makes a turn unless it is absolutely necessary. I'm certainly not a brand loyalist. I'm rather disgusted with Toyota for manufacturing the car that I drive. I remember driving a Toyota MR2 back in 1997 and I really liked it. The Corolla is shameful compared that that car. That car while not the most comfortable, handled very well. I loved it and wanted one. Right now I have a modern car manufactured in 2008 and sold in 2009 with modern technology that handles similar to a childs go cart.
#305 of 667 Re: Corolla power steering [biffpreston]
Aug 04, 2010 (10:10 am)
Interesting problem you have - I'm not sure that I've read here, or anywhere else that someone is experiencing sluggish steering, shaking at low speeds, or a feeling of tires being submerged in mud. Rather, this thread seems to be people that have loose steering...an uncomfortable feeling that you can't feel the tires or road. The car wanders or drifts and needs constant input. The feeling that an emergency reaction at high speeds would lead to an over-correction.
Sounds like your steering is too tight instead? I would think that the dealer would be able to ride with you and see the steering wheel shake, or feel the sluggish response. Have you tested another Corolla at the dealership to see if it feels the same as your car?
#306 of 667 Re: Corolla power steering [spikejr1]
Aug 04, 2010 (11:43 am)
Yes spikejr1 the steering is loose and wobbly and yes there is a serious lack of communicative feeling between the tires and steering wheel. Yes the car drifts on straight roads or highways. And as far as an emergency correction at hign speeds is concerned I'm not certain depending on the situation of course that the car would be capable of maneuvering well enough to deal with whatever situation is at hand. As far as an emergency reaction leading to an overcorrection I don't know. As far as the handling being sluggish if you read Edmunds review of the Corolla, which is extremely diplomatic it mentions that the corolla's handling is on the "soggy side". Soggy is one way of putting it. Column mounted electric steering is well known to be associated with cars that handle very poorly including driftng on straight roads or highways and uncommunicative steering feel and response. This is not isolated to a few cars. This is characteristic of column mounted electric steering. i am uttelry amazed that anyone in actual truth doesn't have a problem with any car possessing column mounted electric steering and all the associated handling and instability issues of which there are a number of different ones associated with this type of steering system. There might be some people who like to drive a car that handles very poorly and has serious stability issues. Perhaps to them it feels great. Having a steering wheel and wheels on the car variably out of sych gives them a constant adrenaline rush from the element of surprise from not having any tactile feedback from the road. If I were to describe the handling characteristics there would not be just one or two pervasive characteristics there are a number. Every aspect of road handling is seriously affected in a negative way by the implemenmtation of column mounted electric steering and believe me when I type those 4 words I get nauseous. Truly a steering system that eliminates the fun of having a car and makes it into a chore to drive.
#307 of 667 Re: Corolla EPS [pekelvr]
Aug 04, 2010 (1:29 pm)
Pekelvr - Can you post the name of the dealership, and their location? I contacted my local dealer, and the Toyota Experience Hotline (800-331-4331) and neither one has information about the EPS Fix. I would like to contact the dealership that repaired your vehicle and get the EPS information just in case the NHTSA does not purchase my vehicle.
As a side note, I was impressed with the Hotline representative - she actually found a recall for my vehicle that only applies to cold wx areas. I bought the vehicle in LA, but now live in OH so the modification needs to be done. The rep stated that sometimes the recalls are very VIN specific, so it took some time to research. Since the EPS is not technically a "recall" or "service campaign" item at this time, it appears she couldn't see the information.
Aug 05, 2010 (7:25 am)
I'm not going to say any more after this. I will say one last thing. The reason Toyota and whatever other manufacturers stick these column mounted electric steering systems in their low end high volume selling cars is raise their fleet average fuel economy to bring it closer to compliance with CAFE standards. They are reluctant to stick these systems into their higher dollar cars. They certainly want to, but they are reluctant. The higher end customers are a bit mre discriminating and have more purtchasing power and can much more easily take their business elsewhere. They are given more consideration. So the low end consumers such as myself are essentially used to raise that fleet fuel economy. This is why column mounted electric steering works itself into a car make from the bottom up. They are reljuctant to make their higher end cars into a dreadful chore to drive.